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A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by Lucent »

hrnnnnnn wrote: post #41
godelmachine wrote: post #22

We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

There seems to be no safe dose for alcohol. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-it-better-to-drink-littl...

I have a genotype that causes moderate drinking to lower risk of CHD with a p value of 0.008. Check out the odds ratios for the different groups as well.

https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs708272 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25288221

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Post by amelius »

pembrook wrote: post #90
drb91 wrote: post #78

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Well, if you’re already getting your vitamins elsewhere, eating a grape might not be terribly different from eating sugar. It is very odd fruits and veggies are mixed together like this when they have such a different nutritional profile.

The point of fruit is the fiber, not just the vitamins.

And how about the phytochemicals (plant compounds that are under research with unestablished effects on health and not yet scientifically defined as essential nutrients).

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Post by bad_user »

cageface wrote: post #82
bad_user wrote: post #74

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I don’t know from where you get your ideas, but as a matter of fact low LDL is associated with heart disease !

You could, you know, actually watch the video I linked.

I don't watch YouTube bullshit.

Start by reading this study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28515068

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by bad_user »

cageface wrote: post #83
bad_user wrote: post #71

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There is no link between high cholesterol and heart disease, I.e. correlation is not causation. If we are speaking of anecdotes, I eat a lot of fat, I’m on a keto diet and my cholesterol dropped to normal after I began keto. And this is actually consistent with the claims of high fat proponents... that it’s insulin that triggers the metabolic syndrome, causing problems with LDL too, and insulin levels and resistance…

Fats and protein also stimulate insulin release and a steak triggers a bigger insulin response than a bowl of white pasta. Check any chart of insulin responses to confirm this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index Losing weight by any means will lower your cholesterol. But the typical high fat low carb keto diet has the highest mortality rate of any popular diet.

Protein stimulates insulin, but fat does not ;-)

This is why modern low-carbs diets are "high fat, moderate protein".

Also, this is NOT a war against all carbohydrates, but against refined carbohydrates, like sugar (corn syrup) or white flour. These refined carbohydrates in our daily diet have raised the insulin resistance of the population to the point that we have a type 2 diabetes and obesity epidemic on our hands and the problem is worse year by year.

N.B. our bodies can recover from insulin resistance, there are numerous reports of people with type 2 diabetes getting rid of their disease after a low carb diet. However it can take years for your metabolism to go back to normal and in the meantime things like potatoes (which otherwise are healthy and satiating) are unfortunately bad for you. Of course, you can blame refined carbs for damaging your body, and NOT potatoes.

> But the typical high fat low carb keto diet has the highest mortality rate of any popular diet.

That's a myth. Show me the evidence.

On the other hand, this is my favorite study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28515068

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by Trump2020MAGA »

maccard wrote: post #5
Trump2020MAGA wrote: post #2

Am I the only one who thinks it's strange that the NIH can receive money directly from a company? I have trouble believing that will ever go well.

I can't speak directly for the NIH being funded by the companies, but in the UK and Ireland, there are Drinkaware foundations which are almost entirely funded by alcohol companies. It works quite well here

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Why was my comment downvoted to hell and flagged?

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by bad_user »

hrygolis wrote: post #62
galangalalgol wrote: post #38

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Saturated fat has been vindicated by a majority of modern studies while polyunsaturated has been crucified. Selling us industrial vegetable oils as food was clever. That doesn't mean we should eat a aide of bacon a day, but avoiding whole unprocessed foods containing saturated fats for any reason other than calorie count is flawed. And dietary cholesterol does not correlate with ldl, nor does ldl strongly correlate w…

The saturated/polyunsaturated issue to me points to the complexity of the science, not necessarily to anything nefarious. Consider the response of both to heat. There's a good explanation for why polyunsaturated fats are more healthy when raw, but also good reasons to think that they're less healthy when heated to cooking temperature. But studies, and people, tend to ignore the distinction as if there's no chemical c…

I'm sorry, but I'm crying out wolf ... the American Heart Association basically told people to replace saturated fat with sugar.

This is a fact. Even now the recommendation is for people to eat refined carbohydrates in their daily diet because they are "fortified" with things like B vitamins or other nutrients which previously came from fatty meat.

I mean, OK, in 1950-1960 the field was new, mistakes were made, but to keep this going in 2018 is criminal.

They are criminals because people die of type 2 diabetes or of cardiovascular diseases that, surprise, are also caused by hyperinsulinemia (the result of all these refined carbohydrates) and they are side stepping the issue, probably because a lot of big companies (like Coca Cola) would lose a lot of money otherwise.

The result is that our children are being fed a diet that is making them obese — even if you protect your children at home, you can't protect them at school. Our children are getting sick, refined sugar should be declared a harmful drug and just like tobacco or alcohol, children should not be allowed to consume it.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by cageface »

bad_user wrote: post #93
cageface wrote: post #82

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You could, you know, actually watch the video I linked.

I don't watch YouTube bullshit. Start by reading this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28515068

He summarizes a bunch of peer review studies in that video instead of just choosing one that supports his point of view.

Consumption of sugar and sweeteners is definitely unhealthy but it also peaked in 1999:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/just-how-much-sugar-do-american...

What's exploded since then is chicken and cheese consumption.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by cageface »

bad_user wrote: post #94
cageface wrote: post #83

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Fats and protein also stimulate insulin release and a steak triggers a bigger insulin response than a bowl of white pasta. Check any chart of insulin responses to confirm this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index Losing weight by any means will lower your cholesterol. But the typical high fat low carb keto diet has the highest mortality rate of any popular diet.

Protein stimulates insulin, but fat does not ;-) This is why modern low-carbs diets are " high fat, moderate protein ". Also, this is NOT a war against all carbohydrates, but against refined carbohydrates , like sugar (corn syrup) or white flour. These refined carbohydrates in our daily diet have raised the insulin resistance of the population to the point that we have a type 2 diabetes and obesity epidemic on our ha…

He links seven studies showing increased mortality from keto diets here:

https://medium.com/thrive-global/the-skeleton-in-the-ketogen...

We agree that refined carbs are a bad idea but avoiding complex carbs is also a bad idea.

Plus you should at least consider that a diet high in animal products has a massively higher environmental footprint than a plant based diet. If everybody ate the way most keto proponents suggest we should then we as a planet and species would be screwed.

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Post by 2020-3030 »

amelius wrote: post #47
hrnnnnnn wrote: post #42

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Or go one better and eat the whole grapes.

I've heard that grapes are among the worst kinds of fruit you can eat when it comes to pesticides. http://time.com/5234787/dirty-dozen-pesticides/

It would be good to have pesticide and hazardous chemical amounts per serving listed along with the other ingredients. What an eye opener that would be. I wonder what it would take to accomplish this given that contamination happens throughout production and distribution.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by prolikewh0a »

swombat wrote: post #37
cageface wrote: post #32

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I didn't realize until I saw this DW documentary that Canada supplies a lot of the world's lentils: https://www.dw.com/en/lentils-food-for-the-future/av-4370243... Luckily lentils are one of the healthiest things you can eat.

Says who? I bet if we do a proper study we will find out the truth: that every kind of food eventually leads to death. Of course, that's what the Fasting industry wants you to think...

Living eventually leads to death as well.
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