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A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

There seems to be no safe dose for alcohol.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-it-better-to-drink-littl...

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

I always assumed that this had to do with antioxidants in grapes and nothing to do with alcohol itself. That's not so far fetched to me, but why not just drink grape juice?

Or go one better and eat the whole grapes.

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You jest, but in Canada at least, that's a thing. http://www.lentils.org/

I didn't realize until I saw this DW documentary that Canada supplies a lot of the world's lentils: https://www.dw.com/en/lentils-food-for-the-future/av-4370243... Luckily lentils are one of the healthiest things you can eat.

Lot's of people suffer from legume/lentils allergy, it's anything but healthy for them.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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The whole nutrition field is an absolute disgrace, giving a bad name to the medicine and science. We basically resort to having beliefs instead of depending on science, with the parent confirming husband own biases in only a couple of words. When something like 80% of studies on nutrition are either compromised or never confirmed by independent sources, it’s no wonder that people turn to the alternative medicine prom…

Not really. Most studies support the consensus findings of nutrition studies for the last several decades. Unfortunately the meat and dairy industries have managed to muddy the waters enough to get most people to just throw up their hands and eat what they want. Processed foods are bad for you. Refined carbs and sugars are bad for you. Saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for you. A diet centered around whole fruits…

Yep. There's an effort called the True Health Initiative where they got a bunch of doctors to basically say "eat more vegetables".

http://www.truehealthinitiative.org/

https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2016/11/08/David-K...

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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There is however plenty of "Anti-meat/Meat Causes Cancer" dodgy nutrition studies pushed by the World Health Organization (WHO) and Vegetarian/Vegan agenda by The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics indeed, an order of magnitude difference.

What makes them dodgy?

Cherry picking, Conflict of interest, makes them dodgy!

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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You lump them all together as if they are the same (tobacco, meat, dairy, eggs) yet you conveniently left out the Grain farming industry and Vegetarian/Vegan food industry, these industries buy scientific studies and food & nutrition organizations too.

Sometimes my impression is that, after the fact that studies were compromised got somewhat widely known, the next strategy is now "muddy the waters": Suddenly all studies are compromised so we can't possibly know anything anyway and might just go on to eat our burgers...

Alternatively, when I hear about food information that might affect me, I try to investigate the mentioned studies (at least read the abstract and the results), and also other studies about the issue, to see if there's any reasonable consensus about the results.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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I always assumed that this had to do with antioxidants in grapes and nothing to do with alcohol itself. That's not so far fetched to me, but why not just drink grape juice?

Or go one better and eat the whole grapes.

I've heard that grapes are among the worst kinds of fruit you can eat when it comes to pesticides.

http://time.com/5234787/dirty-dozen-pesticides/

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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My grandpa is into his 80s without many health issues while drinking occasionally but not everyday or anything. His brothers all loved drinking more and died earlier in much worse condition. Hence I will just drink smaller amounts of alcohol and not obsess over such issues

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

A very small amount of red wine is beneficial to women over 60. No-one else gets the benefits. We've known this for a few years now.

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Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Or go one better and eat the whole grapes.

I've heard that grapes are among the worst kinds of fruit you can eat when it comes to pesticides. http://time.com/5234787/dirty-dozen-pesticides/

On one hand that's bad. On the other hand, not eating them might actually increase your risk of cancer.

Perceived risk from harm due to pesticides on food is overestimated by many people, and the risk of not eating more fruit and vegetables is underestimated.

"If just half the U.S. population were to increase fruit and vegetable consumption by a single serving a day, an estimated 20,000 cancer cases might be avoided each year. That’s how powerful produce may be.

But because the model was using conventional fruits and veggies the pesticide residues on those extra fruits and vegetables might result in ten additional cancer cases."

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/are-the-benefits-of-organic...

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