2018 MacBook Pro Review • Hacker News Board

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by andai » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:05 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #62

submeta wrote: post #36

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Actually, I pay that extra amount without hesitation. Thinking of the times when I constantly had to fiddle around with my Windows ThinkPad or my Ubuntu ThinkPad, time is more expensive for me, so the extra 700 Euros means nothing for me. - But yes, you are right. They have gotten expensive in the past several years.

In my experience, the people who choose Wintel vs. Mac computers based primarily on price and not on whether it's the best tool for the task at hand are people whose time isn't very valuable. I'm not trying to be insulting. But if you're using the computer for work and you can save eight or ten or twelve hours over the course of a month, when you multiply that by your hourly rate and then again by the number of month…

Sold my Mac to pay rent, using Windows now. The pain is real.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by mlang23 » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:09 AM UTC

The keyboard is one of the last reasons why someone would want a laptop vs. a tablet. I loved my MacBook Air, but no Apple laptops for me until they fix the keyboard. But hey, I am sure they found a market for this stuff. It is just not for touch typists.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by andai » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:10 AM UTC

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Such nonsense. Please show me a laptop with the same quality trackpad and an operating system that works as well with my iOS devices e.g. AirDrop, Continuity, iCloud Notes, Photos, Keychain. And of course one that has perfect driver support and supports apps like Pixelmator and Omnigraffle.

Take a laptop with a good trackpad and install macOS on it?

I'd rather run Windows on the MBP than the other way around.

To be clear, I prefer macOS, just talking about build quality here.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by NickNameNick » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:10 AM UTC

imron wrote: post #363

godzillabrennus wrote: post #155

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It would increase the thickness of the laptop. Apple is design driven. I also hate the new keyboard but couldn’t care less about using dongles if I get a thinner laptop.

I on the other hand wouldn't mind if they made the laptop a little bit thicker in exchange for better battery life. When the discrete graphics chip is being used, plus a retina display, and or several dongles plugged in for ethernet, usb-a or whatever, battery life on my 2017 MBP while doing development work is maybe 3-4 hours. It was quite a shock to go to that from the 8-9 hours I used to get from my older MacBook…

They can only make the battery 99WH, and still have it allowed to go on an airplane. The battery is already ~83WH, so sadly, there may not be much to gain there.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by eksemplar » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:17 AM UTC

sigi45 wrote: post #394

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I for one welcome Apple's premium on hardware in general. It seems to make for a company that keeps its business model based on just their hardware. This is off topic so I apologise, but I've become rather disillusioned with how many better priced companies seem to be surreptitiously inserting constant tracking into their software and hardware.

Like what? Where does Lenovo, Samsung, HP, Dell, Microsoft or x other companies track way more with software and hardware than apple?

I work in the public sector, we’re not allowed to use Chinese hardware and we get a special version of Windows 10 that has had it’s tracking disabled by Microsoft and verified/reviewed by our version of the NSA.

The only smartphones we’re allowed to use are iPhones that are enrolled into our enterprise program.

I can’t tell you if that means Apple tracks you less than Lenovo or Microsoft, but you can be pretty sure that someone is tracking you if you use unmodified hardware/software.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by muro » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:20 AM UTC

sundvor wrote: post #333

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Is it really that hard to believe that some people prefer to have a lighter laptop. My daily driver is thinkpad but I really appreciate my mbp when traveling or for conferences because it's much more portable and I can carry it with ease

When I want to walk somewhere with my X1 Carbon in my backpack I typically have to open it to check whether I actually packed it. Still has a great keyboard and milspec dust resistant design.

+1, just shame about the bad trackpad. How is that still a thing in 2018 :(

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by georgebarnett » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:28 AM UTC

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He did answer the question, only with reasons that you don't seem to agree with. I also mostly use my MBP plugged in and yet still want my laptop to be as light and thin as possible for when I'm carrying it around during the day/commuting. An extra pound of weight makes a huge difference to me walking home.

> An extra pound of weight makes a huge difference to me walking home. That's hard to believe. Are you walking 50 miles? How would you notice an extra pound? What about the rest of the stuff you carry, your clothes, your shoes? Is everything else already optimized? Why does the (likely) most expensive full-size computing device need to lose weight vs everything else, especially when it's infringing on the actual user…

My personal machine is a 12” MacBook and my work machine is a 13” Touchbar MBP. I use a very small messenger bag and so yes, I do notice the extra weight on my shoulders when I commute with the MBP.

I have optimised my bag heavily but already have a few non-negotiable medical items I must carry to stay alive and so I like to get that weight back from my laptop.

I understand that weight isn’t a big deal for everyone however it is for me. If my company offered smaller machines I would switch instantly.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by nkkollaw » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:29 AM UTC

zinckiwi wrote: post #421

I don't begrudge Apple their quest for thin and light. All else being equal, of course everyone wants that. But they have three portable product lines: the MB, and Air and the Pro. Surely the point of that is to allow them to differentiate? It seems strange that "thin and light" is the priority above all others, for all three. I'd happily sacrifice a couple of millimetres and a few ounces of my 2016 MBP to a return t…

I'm not sure everyone wants thinnes.

I'm working on a 3-cm thick gaming laptop and I'm about 100 times more productive compared to my old 2016 MBP, just because the keyboard actually registeres all keystrokes. I've also upgraded it by opening the bottom case with 4 Phillips screws.

People want thinness if everything else works. If to have thinness you have a laptop that you cannot type on, and you lose all your data if the logic boards dies (happened to me with that model), I don't want that.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by nkkollaw » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:31 AM UTC

blhack wrote: post #91

It's become comedy at this point. Many, many developers: "We hate this keyboard. It is atrocious! Give us back the old one please!" Apple: "We have listened to your needs. The keyboard is now 8% quieter, and the touchbar is mandatory!"

Apple doesn't target artists and developers anymore. Photographers cannot easily transfer pictures, devs cannot type, etc. etc.

The sooner one understands that, the better.

Re: 2018 MacBook Pro Review

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Post by nkkollaw » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 9:33 AM UTC

Osmium wrote: post #137

blhack wrote: post #91

It's become comedy at this point. Many, many developers: "We hate this keyboard. It is atrocious! Give us back the old one please!" Apple: "We have listened to your needs. The keyboard is now 8% quieter, and the touchbar is mandatory!"

I love the keyboard, and I code all day. It's actually my favorite keyboard of any I've used with the exception of the current-gen external Apple keyboards. I enjoy the light-touch and low key travel required to type. I find the typing more pleasant and kinder on my hands.

Nice try, Apple...