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Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#31
Do the therapist thing, exercise, eat right, etc...That is all important. Good pay, Good job, blah blah. None of that is really relevant, that is some externally defined bullshit. If you are burning out and waking up with anxiety you need to back up and figure out the root cause. I just suffered through 2 months of this for the 10th time in the last 20 years. This time it was a bit more intense.

I have been through enough shit in my life, fire arms in my face in foreign countries, losing loved ones, the list goes on like most folks. None of that shook me like this recent bout of corporate fuckery.

I think you need to dig deep and analyze all of the variables. Without knowing more about your personal life, age and financial position it is hard to say what the right thing to do is in a socially acceptable sense. If there are stress triggers you need to figure out how to manage those.

End of the day it is probably just a bad fit. It could simply be "toxic" for you. The pay/resume cred doesn't matter if it makes you miserable and degrades your mental/emotional/physical well being.

A bad fit is a bad fit. Chalk it up to life experience and apply what you learn as you continue on down the path. All the money, social acceptance, don't take it for granted, first world problems stuff isn't something to get hung up on. Dead that noise. Look at your life, who you were, how you have acted in the past, who you are today, there are always patterns and a root cause.

You need to focus on the self. What makes sense for YOU. If you are miserable just roll out. If you can take a week or three off, do that. Communicate with HR or your boss, keep it real. It takes some stones to be open and honest about this kind of thing but you might be surprised at what kind of support you can receive.

Worst case just go to the doc and then let HR know. I am willing to bet that you can take a month or more off via personal leave with no real consequence due to "job related" illness. When in doubt, review your handy dandy corporate handbook.

Start to take control of the situation. It is your life. Own it. Don't throw yourself under the bus for no reason. Make change, don't be a victim...especially not to your own sub-conscious acrobatics.

Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#32
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* Leave work after 8 hours without making excuses * Go to bed at the same time every night * Get at least 7 hours of sleep. Try for 8. * Stop drinking alcohol and using drugs * Eat better. Cook your own meals. Do meal prep to make it easier. * Start exercising. Start 3x per week, 15 min of HIIT per day. * Drink a large glass of water when you wake up. Drink water throughout the day. * Don't drink more than one cup of…

Super solid advice here, If I need to only pick 3 immediate actions. * Get at least 7 hours of sleep. Try for 8. * Do a few minutes of stretching and meditation every day. (use Headspace or Calm applications) And my personal recommendation: * Sit and stand with your back straight. (This raises your confidence and assertiveness; then makes you feel in control; then reduces anxiety, and finally improve your health).

Seconding and thirding the point on getting good sleep: "Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams by Matthew P. Walker" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34466963-why-we-sleep "An explosion of scientific discoveries in the last twenty years has shed new light on this fundamental aspect of our lives. Now, preeminent neuroscientist and sleep expert Matthew Walker gives us a new understanding of the vital importance of sleep and dreaming. Within the brain, sleep enriches our ability to learn, memorize, and make logical decisions. It recalibrates our emotions, restocks our immune system, fine-tunes our metabolism, and regulates our appetite. Dreaming mollifies painful memories and creates a virtual reality space in which the brain melds past and present knowledge to inspire creativity."

Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#33
Most people in the comments are telling you to quit, but is it really your job that's depressing you or have you pushed yourself too hard for too long?

How long have you been at this job?

Do you have personal hobbies or projects you like to work on?

These are all questions you need to ask yourself.

We often tend to rely on our jobs to push our intellectual curiosity and provide satisfaction by challenging us to greater heights. Unfortunately, most jobs become mundane after the first project goes live. Hence why most developers average 2 years or less at a job. It's our failure to communicate and set expectations with our superiors, that drives us to the brink, isolates us, and ultimately makes us quit. Alas, the grass ain't always greener and more often than not, you find yourself in the same situation.

If there's one thing I've learned from all of the previous employers I've left, it's that the anxiety build up leading up to handing in that 2 weeks notice could have been entirely avoided, had we just had an open conversation of where we want to be in our careers. Communication is key.

Before you decide to quit, I'd say take a long vacation. 2 weeks minimum, or a month if permissible. Make sure to completely remove yourself from your current environment (go to another country).

Doing so will recharge your batteries, help disconnect you from the daily grind, and realign your thoughts on what's important. A crystal clear view of what path to take. After you come back, whether you've decided to stay or leave your current employer, you will feel 100 times more confident in the decision you make.

Sounds like burnout and anxiety has gotten the best of you right now.

Relax. Take a deep breath. Go on a long vacation. Make a decision.

Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#34
Recently left a job because it was not aligning with my values. Have to rely on freelance projects for a while.

This is not a professional advice, but IMO if the job doesn't match your values, you feel depressed thinking about, and aren't in position to change anything - better walk away while you are sane enough to take the decision.

Best of luck with your future endeavors.

Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#35
A lot of comments are focusing on the burnout aspect, but I think you should pay careful attention during the workday to see if there is anything (or any person) that is triggering your anxious feelings. You may subconsciously be picking up on some people's behavior that you know is off and amplifying that (for good reason). Your anxiety may be a survival instinct rather than a result of exhaustion so please keep that in mind.

Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#36
I know how you feel. I started my career as a programmer in a good company but I felt like you described: anxious, burnout and overwhelmed.

Quitting is not the answer. You would probably face the same situation in your next job. It's mostly how WE perceive the world around us.

Seek professional help if you can afford it. These things worked for me that I suggest you try right a way:

* Read/listen a good book (how to stop worrying and start living, or similar self-help books) * Eat and sleep well, exercise. There are a lot of internet resources on this.

Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#37

If it were me, I'd just quit. Fuck. That. Shit. Life is too short to be depressed, or so much as be bored or at a dead end. If your company doesn't align with your values, then all the more reason to leave. If you have some personal projects you want to work on, build up some funds so you con quit and comfortably take a sabbatical and then spend some time applying for positions in the latter half of it. Do you have f…

I've already lived this situation in a previous job. I'm somehow afraid this might reproduce itself..

It's a mixture of working under pressure and fear of authority figure that comes from abandonment childhood trauma...

Also I don't connect with any collègue really. Like in the deep level, contemplating kind of thing.

Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#38

I know how you feel. I started my career as a programmer in a good company but I felt like you described: anxious, burnout and overwhelmed. Quitting is not the answer. You would probably face the same situation in your next job. It's mostly how WE perceive the world around us. Seek professional help if you can afford it. These things worked for me that I suggest you try right a way: * Read/listen a good book (how to…

I have negative talk in my head. Compare myself with those that are better than me. And stress way too fast. What did you do? How are you now? How old are you..?

Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#39

Do the therapist thing, exercise, eat right, etc...That is all important. Good pay, Good job, blah blah. None of that is really relevant, that is some externally defined bullshit. If you are burning out and waking up with anxiety you need to back up and figure out the root cause. I just suffered through 2 months of this for the 10th time in the last 20 years. This time it was a bit more intense. I have been through e…

10 times in 20 years. Wow. How do you deal with it? What causes your thing? How long does it last? Do you feel shame (I do) when depressed?

Re: Ask HN: Depression and job

#40

> What should I do? Is quitting this job a good idea? yes, absolutely. I've been there. I've burnt out twice and i'm working on my third. (not proud of that statement at all). In my experience it's not a question of if it will get better. It's only a question of how many coping techniques you can put in place to extend the time before you loose it completely (and probably dramatically). Also note that the stress asso…

What was your other thing that you did?

I like doing yoga and teaching programming..

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