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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Yet who shows up for the 3.1 million children who die of malnutrition every year? Every 3 minutes we lose more children then were in the cave. We can comprehend 13 people and the struggle against nature, while the scope of world hunger is far too complex and emotionally incomprehensible to mobilize enough people.

Is 3000 a low enough number? There are 3000 children in concentration camps in the USA separated from their parents. Edit: yes, I have chosen the words concentration camps to evoke the sceptre of the Holocaust. Also note my grandmother is still alive and an Auschwitz survivor. We. have. seen. this. before! 1. Classification 2. Symbolization 3. Discrimination 4. Dehumanization 5. Organization 6. Polarization 7. Prepar…

Exactly, so it is NOT genocide according to the Rome Statute, Article 6 definition. Unless you really want to argue that US ICE is doing this in a deliberate attempt to 'destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group'?

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Unprecedented in recent history. There really should be a law that the Senate needs to start holding hearings within X days. Otherwise partisanship will creep up on either side or multiple sides if we ever move beyond two parties.

> Unprecedented in recent history. There really should be a law that the Senate needs to start holding hearings within X days. Otherwise partisanship will creep up on either side or multiple sides if we ever move beyond two parties. Similar to a pocket veto, not acting upon a nomination is a form of action. It's an indirect mechanism to reject a nominee. I'm pretty sure changing this to mandate a hearing within a fix…

And it's an unintentional power that should be restricted in the minds of many.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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I do my part in promoting captialism, which has done more to pull children out of poverty than any other program or charity in the world. Free market reforms in China and India have done just brain blistering amounts of good in reducing human suffering, from child malnutrition, suicide rates, longevity, and access to healthcare.

That could just be correlation. India and China were doing fine until the Europeans came and subjugated them. There was some upheaval when the Europeans left and created a power vacuum. Shockingly, being conquered and ceded and the related civil unrest could also be blamed for (for example) strongman dictators that happened to come into power and cause famines, or genocide and sectarian strife. A lot of that conqueri…

India and China were not doing fine when Europeans came and subjugated them. Slavery in a feudalistic society isn't some rosey funland that the Europeans ruined. Life sucked all over the world, for 99.999% of people, who lived in nearly eternal bone crushing poverty.

And how is freely trading your labor and goods for other's labor and goods an immoral system? I would call capitalism the most moral system we've ever devised. I assume you would think some central authority should decide who gets and does what, in some system that graph theory quickly shows runs into O2 complexity with node to node interactions swamping any decision making authority. FYI, having an authority tell people what they can and can't do with their labor sounds suspiciously like slavery, or exactly how the majority of people in India and China lived most of their lives pre-contact - as serfs, just like the rest of the world.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Actually, I believe that other people were exploring the options of drilling a rescue tunnel from the surface. IIRC, there was even the beginning of projects to make a usable tunnel launch site for such a rescue tunnel.

Right, and so you don't think the expertise he was providing could have been valuable there?

Honestly, no.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Elon Musk replied to the BBC report here: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785 Direct quotes from one of the dive team leads: "please keep working on the capsule" and "it is absolutely worth continuing with the development".

So the guy actually in charge of the entire thing is somehow wrong, but Elon personally emailed exactly 1 person in charge of 1 team who said "keep working on it", which definitely justifies the entire surrounding PR bonanza and Musk personally showing up to the dive site to do... what exactly? It'd odd that Musk's attempts to discredit the guy in charge of the entire of the operation is somehow not worth pointing ou…

What is the inverse of a fanboy? An anti-fanboy? Compulsive detractor? Super-carper? There seems to be a large outspoken group of people who go out of their way to talk about Musk despite their apparent dislike of him, rather than just saying nothing and ignoring him, seemingly they feel justified by the fanboys? I think that deserves a title, carper? Detractor? Hard to imagine commenting on this post to just complain about a person only semi-related to the operation.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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post #317

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Unprecedented in recent history. There really should be a law that the Senate needs to start holding hearings within X days. Otherwise partisanship will creep up on either side or multiple sides if we ever move beyond two parties.

> Unprecedented in recent history. There really should be a law that the Senate needs to start holding hearings within X days. Otherwise partisanship will creep up on either side or multiple sides if we ever move beyond two parties. Similar to a pocket veto, not acting upon a nomination is a form of action. It's an indirect mechanism to reject a nominee. I'm pretty sure changing this to mandate a hearing within a fix…

A pocket veto has a built in time limit. So it's not at all similar.

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"If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost, just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature—a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price. Weakness? It might be the unique strength that w…

"If a hiker gets lost in the mountains, people will coordinate a search. If a train crashes, people will line up to give blood. If an earthquake levels a city, people all over the world will send emergency supplies. This is so fundamentally human that it's found in every culture without exception. Yes, there are assholes who just don't care, but they're massively outnumbered by the people who do."

(The Martian by Andy Weir)

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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post #394

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That's a big claim, do you have any further reading I could look at about this? That said, I wouldn't call purchasing cheap clothes "promoting capitalism". I'm still interested in user merpnderp's answer.

It is a big claim. It's probably the biggest, most important claim of the millennium. And it is really, really good for hundreds of millions (maybe billions). These two are pretty good start points. [1] [2] In short, globalization converted hundreds of millions of would-be Chinese farmers into middle class urbanites in about one generation. It is the most massive improvement of quality of life in world history. It is…

Children as young as 4 years old are mining cobalt (used in lithium batteries) by hand in the DRC.[1][2]

"More than half the world’s supply of cobalt comes from the DRC, with 20% of cobalt exported coming from artisanal mines in the southern part of the country. In 2012, Unicef estimated that there were 40,000 children working in all the mines across the south, many involved in mining cobalt."

"Adult miners dig up to 600ft below the surface using basic tools, without protective clothing or modern machinery. Sometimes the children are sent down into the narrow makeshift chambers where there is constant danger of collapse.

"Cobalt is such a health hazard that it has a respiratory disease named after it – cobalt lung, a form of pneumonia which causes coughing and leads to permanent incapacity and even death.

"Even simply eating vegetables grown in local soil can cause vomiting and diarrhoea, thyroid damage and fatal lung diseases, while birds and fish cannot survive in the area.

"No one knows quite how many children have died mining cobalt in the Katanga region in the south-east of the country. The UN estimates 80 a year, but many more deaths go unregistered, with the bodies buried in the rubble of collapsed tunnels. Others survive but with chronic diseases which destroy their young lives. Girls as young as ten in the mines are subjected to sexual attacks and many become pregnant.

The cobalt "ends up in smartphones, cars and computers sold to millions across the world, by household brands including Apple, Microsoft and Vodafone"

"Car maker Tesla – the market leader in electric vehicles – plans to produce 500,000 cars per year starting in 2018, and will need 7,800 tons of cobalt to achieve this. Sales are expected to hit 4.4 million by 2021. It means the price of cobalt will soar as the world gears itself up for the electric car revolution, and there is evidence some corporations are cancelling their contracts with regulated mines using industrial technology, and turning increasingly to the cheaper mines using human labour."

[1] - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764208/Child-miners...

[2] - https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/19/c...

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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>I'm awaiting for the unavoidable book/movie. Hollywood producers are already on the ground http://www.newsweek.com/hollywood-producers-head-thai-cave-r...

The coach then will be an american living in Thailand, half the team will be girls, the sport will be american football instead of soccer, one of the rescuers will be a woman who happens to be an ex-girlfriend of the coach, there will be a bad guy from the government or some company that wants to leave them in the cave because it's cheaper... and Elon Musk's device will save the day.

> there will be a bad guy from the government

Elon Musk is ahead of you - he has his government villain already: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785/phot...

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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He is a solider doing his job. you will be surprise how thankless a military job is

But he wasn't. He was there as a volunteer, he had left that job behind.

You've clearly never done that "job". It cannot simply be left behind. It fundamentally changes a person. Especially in SOF.

It is probably true that in countries like Thailand, serving in the military is somewhat thankless. That's hard to imagine from a US perspective where veterans/servicemembers today receive amazing support.

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