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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by eagsalazar2 »

eagsalazar2 wrote: post #119
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #15

Can anyone explain how the heck they found the children in the first place? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around it. The kids were stranded 2.5 miles inside the cave. All anyone knew was that the kids didn't return form their hike. How does that lead to "Hey, let's dive into the cave and maybe we'll find live children"? I guess they were expecting the worst, but still.

I was surprised to hear that there were long stretches of dry walking between their location in the cave and the cave entrance. In particular there were dry stretches prior to the very nasty tiny hole they all squeezed through. I guess they were panicked and ran further than they needed to just to be extra sure?

Also looking at the side-view diagrams of the cave, if they were running away from the entrance because it was starting to fill up, I'm surprised that very tight hole they crawled through wasn't also underwater at the time since it looks like it is as low or lower than the cave entrance itself. They descended to below the entrance altitude after having gained a lot of altitude. I know there are probably no answers but from the calm, adult, safety of my office I can't wrap my head around the decisions they made at all. Seems like they were running like panicked deer and then stopped because...? They couldn't run any further?

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by andrepd »

jps359 wrote: post #129
maxxxxx wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what went down but I think he should have asked the people on location what they need. Maybe he did... If he didn't it's just pretty arrogant to spend a little time on a problem you know nothing about and then publicly exclaiming you know a solution. A good idea now would be to send money to the family of the driver who died. That would be helpful.

It's odd that you admit you don't know what went down but are still passing judgement. Even if he did, he didn't interfere or impede rescue efforts and gave them a tool they could possible use in the future. It's cool and a nice thing to do, and doesn't really seem like a big deal.

He didn't. The authorities said it was useless for that purpose.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by macintux »

smallhands wrote: post #100
tgb wrote: post #31

Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…

He is a solider doing his job. you will be surprise how thankless a military job is

But he wasn't. He was there as a volunteer, he had left that job behind.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by philip1209 »

StavrosK wrote: post #49
epx wrote: post #12

It was a near tragedy, a man died in the process, but someway it is comforting to see everybody concentrated on a problem like this, trying to help fellow people, than waging war etc.

"Near" tragedy? A man died.

I suggest reading the book "Shadow Divers" for a look at some of the professional diving culture. It's super interesting. This death is definitely horrible. However, reading Shadow Divers also made me think that any cave divers take on high risk every time they swim, and that this death - while tragic - is a risk this person confronted long before the incident.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by danso »

tgb wrote: post #31

Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…

It was the top trend on Twitter the night (U.S. time) that it happened. Many news outlets covered it:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/07/06/thai-cave-diver-...

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/07/06/world/asia/ap-as...

https://www.reddit.com/search?q=saman%20gunan&sort=top

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by akuji1993 »

throwawayqdhd wrote: post #110

You really have to love Wikipedia. It's barely a week old and you already have a page with so many references and detailed information. Thank you, all the anonymous contributors.

Yet there are still people claiming the site is not good for anything. Of course, you shouldn't base your phd paper on it, but I'll use it for any information first checkpoint, all the time.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by naibafo »

eagsalazar2 wrote: post #119
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #15

Can anyone explain how the heck they found the children in the first place? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around it. The kids were stranded 2.5 miles inside the cave. All anyone knew was that the kids didn't return form their hike. How does that lead to "Hey, let's dive into the cave and maybe we'll find live children"? I guess they were expecting the worst, but still.

I was surprised to hear that there were long stretches of dry walking between their location in the cave and the cave entrance. In particular there were dry stretches prior to the very nasty tiny hole they all squeezed through. I guess they were panicked and ran further than they needed to just to be extra sure?

I thought that the walking parts were only after pumping a lot of water away and previously it was all flooded?

Or maybe the water level fell after that first rain stopped.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by typon »

throwawayqdhd wrote: post #110

You really have to love Wikipedia. It's barely a week old and you already have a page with so many references and detailed information. Thank you, all the anonymous contributors.

Wikipedia is the best website for following:

1. Current events.

2. Sports tournaments.

The information entropy level is quite high, with basically no ads, extremely good formatting (relevant tables, charts etc.), and relatively unbiased.

This doesn't even mention the benefit of getting simple background information on the subjects with just a simple click (or even a hover these days)

It's really a treasure.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by danso »

msvan wrote: post #50

It turns out that if your suffering is spectacular enough, people will come save you. Maybe if we throw all the poor children of the world into caves people will start caring about them.

It does become easier to focus on situations in which imminent death is anticipated and possibly observable. Think of the resources and attention devoted to the exoneration of death row inmates as they near execution, versus the attention given to them in the years/decades leading up to the execution. Nevermind the many, many more people who may be unjustly sentenced to life imprisonment.
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