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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by striking » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:23 PM UTC

c22 wrote: post #376

dnautics wrote: post #324

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Look at the noncapitalistic countries that industrialized and compare outcomes.

Can you provide me one or two examples from this set? I found a list on Wikipedia [0] of currently non-capitalist countries and many of them sound like perfectly nice places, but I am not aware of when they all "industrialized" and what their socioeconomic climate was like at the time and it seems like drilling deeper is going to require a lot of research. So an example or two that you know about would be helpful. [0…

Not all of these countries are "non-capitalist." This is a list of parties that are anti-capitalist/communist, some with only one or two seats in their country's parliament.

The introduction to the article even makes this clear:

> Of the 66 states listed here, 9 of them are republics ruled by a socialist, communist or anticapitalist party, five of them are official socialist states ruled by a communist party, of them four of them espouse Marxism–Leninism (China, Cuba, Laos, and Vietnam) while the fifth (North Korea) espouses Juche.

You are probably looking for the current article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_state#List_of_curren..., or the historical article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by ryanmercer » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

vinkelhake wrote: post #316

bprieto wrote: post #160

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The coach then will be an american living in Thailand, half the team will be girls, the sport will be american football instead of soccer, one of the rescuers will be a woman who happens to be an ex-girlfriend of the coach, there will be a bad guy from the government or some company that wants to leave them in the cave because it's cheaper... and Elon Musk's device will save the day.

The rumor is that The Rock is going to play the coach. Kevin Hart will play all 12 boys.

>The rumor is that The Rock is going to play the coach. Kevin Hart will play all 12 boys.

I would actually pay to see this.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by azinman2 » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #361

merpnderp wrote: post #272

I do my part in promoting captialism, which has done more to pull children out of poverty than any other program or charity in the world. Free market reforms in China and India have done just brain blistering amounts of good in reducing human suffering, from child malnutrition, suicide rates, longevity, and access to healthcare.

Science produced these possibilities. Capitalism is the distribution method enforced by the military by the rent-seeking ruling classes. Like democracy, it sucks but it's better than what was tried before. Or is it?

Is there a large implementation of any economic model that hasn’t had a military?

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by tyrust » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

los_angeles wrote: post #378

tyrust wrote: post #364

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What does it mean to "promote capitalism"?

Basically buying stuff made in poor countries. This (more than literally anything else) has made a staggering improvement in the lives of hundreds of millions of people over the last few decades.

That's a big claim, do you have any further reading I could look at about this?

That said, I wouldn't call purchasing cheap clothes "promoting capitalism".

I'm still interested in user merpnderp's answer.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by armenarmen » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

I don’t get this attitude that I’m seeing in here. So many commenters “who cares about 13 when millions of kids are starving” JESUS be happy for once.

“Oh it’s a lovely day outside” “easy for you to say but don’t you know it’s raining at someone’s wedding in Omaha”

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by Udik » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

joejerryronnie wrote: post #294

luckydata wrote: post #261

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No it's not, but the movie was. Just check the wiki page, he wrote it himself (under Major Themes, Militarism): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers

Interesting, I'll have to re-read as it's been several years. My original takeaway was that the surface level pro-military engagement aspect was meant as deep irony and that the user was encouraged to draw their own conclusions. Mine was that war is horrific, even if done for the right reasons.

"Yeah, war is horrible, but we have to do it."

That's militarism.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by foldr » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

kazinator wrote: post #309

Jwarder wrote: post #299

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But they are literal concentration camps. Concentration camps have existed before and after the Nazis; that's not some idea they invented. The horror of the Holocaust is focused around the death camps more than the concentration camps.

The phrase "concentration camp" in the English language no longer has any literal meaning that is simply composed of "concentration" and "camp". It refers strictly to the WWII Nazi concentration camps. Anyone using the phrase and then insisting that the literal meaning was intended is thoroughly disingenuous. That speaker or writer is deliberately using the loaded term in order to troll the intended audience with a c…

The Nazi camps pertaining to the Holocaust are correctly called extermination camps, not concentration camps. Although e.g. Auschwitz is commonly referred to as a concentration camp, this is a euphemism, and the term is not considered correct by anyone writing seriously about the Holocaust.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by ThrustVectoring » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:25 PM UTC

heartbreak wrote: post #385

nickysielicki wrote: post #241

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I strongly disagree about current events. The Merrick Garland wikipedia page was a mess immediately after he was nominated, and I've just checked and the word "unprecedented" appears 7 times, in spite of the fact that it is by-no-means unprecedented for the senate to not consider a nomination [1]. There are a lot of partisan editors that wish to astroturf for their own political convictions, and because Wikipedia art…

In the time it took you to write out this comment you could have edited the Merrick Garland Wikipedia page to your satisfaction.

It'd have gotten reverted within 5 minutes. Wikipedia is an absolute dumpster fire for any sort of controversial topic for this exact reason.

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Post by golergka » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:27 PM UTC

vilhelm_s wrote: post #354

golergka wrote: post #214

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Please don't try to learn about controversial political topics there. The amount of editorial wars going on is stuggering - and the worst of it, you won't be able to tell when you're looking at a propaganda piece instead of an objective article because you need prior knowledge for that, and Wikipedia is exactly the place where people get their prior knowledge.

The same is true for non-Wikipedia sources too, right? If you learn about political topics from, say, a newspaper article, you will not be able to tell if you're looking at a propaganda piece because the newspaper is exactly where you get your prior knowledge.

I think there's a difference: you know that newspaper won't offer you an objective prior knowledge. But with Wikipedia, too many people have such assumption.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by NeutronStar » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:28 PM UTC

metiscus wrote: post #371

dpc59 wrote: post #349

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Russia made gigantic leaps from 1917 to 1956. They went from absolute backwards shithole to contending world power in 39 years (even less considering ww2 was over 10 years before that).

They did so at tremendous human cost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%93...

You're talking like they didn't get invaded by the germans and lost 20M comrades vs the "atrocious war crimes against the jews" that totalled 6M... Russia took a beating and basically stop the german progress for the WEST to be able to regroup and refight way later.