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Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#101

Seems like a drastic way to say like that juice is not as healthy as eating fruit, and is not a substitute for solid fruit. Also that it has a lot of sugar. When you see this headline, you’d think they might be including fresh squeeze juice from a variety of fruits and vegetables. They seem to only be talking about things like Coca-Cola’s Minute Maid and Walmart apple juice that the average American feeds their child…

> it’s hard to believe that the juice of 5 apples, a bunch of chard, a beet, 2 carrots, a stick of ginger and some celery would harm me or children. Is this what each person gets or what you share with your children? That juice alone would contain around 100g of sugar, which regardless of where it comes from would be a lot for a single person, especially considering it won't be their only source of sugar in a day. Th…

My definition of fresh squeezed juice is putting whole fruit into a juicer.

As far as 100g of sugar, yes, and that hypothetical stack of produce which is more than one person, especially a kid, would consume in a serving. And how much is in one can of Coke, which I’ve seen people give their children? 35 grams? In a far less healthy form, with anti-nutrients and no vitamins. This was the point of half my comment.

No, I would not feed that entire amount to a child at once. Yes, I would feel comfortable consuming it.

If it’s not their entire source of sugar all day - why not? Sure, some people feed their kids eat mcdonald’s ice cream while the doctors here demonize fruit. I’d think they could at least once mentioned that the 100% whole fruit juice that they are slandering is healthier than the sort of product some parents consider appropriate: http://texas-wholesale.com/images/products/80007%20-4236-BUG...

“The problem with juices is that they're very easy to consume compared to their whole food counterpart and keep you full for a shorter time. I'm not sure exactly what definition you're using for fresh squeezed juice, but if you're not using the whole fruit then you're likely losing a lot of the fiber that makes whole fruit healthier”

You just summed up this entire article, like I did. Yes, juice is high in sugar, and it’s healthier to eat whole fruit because of the fiber.

I have a severe swallowing disorder btw, so I can’t consume whole fruit at all.

Most people are there kids would never, ever sit down and eat a raw beet, two carrots, five apples, and so forth. Nutritionally, even without the fiber, the vitamins and enzymes of eating fresh raw fruits and vegetables are worth it, despite the sugar, especially for people who eat the typical awful American diet of fast and frozen food. American dietary analysis often includes a myopic focus on one or two macro nutrients, and this is a great example.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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post #98

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Important in what sense? Important in this context to me would mean: if I don't eat spinach, or if I skip breakfast, I will NOT lose weight on a calorie deficit . Is that what you mean by important what you eat and when you eat, or something else?

Let's assume you eat the same amounts. It makes a difference if you eat in the morning or in the evening. If you eat very late most likely you won't digest as well and you will gain weight. You will always lose weight on a deficit but depending on when you eat the amount for a deficit will be different. Same for the type of food. From my own observation I will gain weight if I eat only a few pretzels daily even if ev…

Let's assume you eat the same amounts. It makes a difference if you eat in the morning or in the evening. If you eat very late most likely you won't digest as well and you will gain weight.

That’s considered a myth that’s been debunked ages ago.

https://www.webmd.com/diet/features/diet-truth-myth-eating-n...

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Well, it isn't really beside the point, since some foods give you calories without making you feel full or even while making you hungrier -- for instance, juice, according to this article..

It's beside the point in the evaluation of unhealthiness. Something making you hungry doesn't make it unhealthy. For people who can drink juice, but not overeat, it poses likely no special threat (and if it does, it will be hard to find that out in the current climate of calling calorie dense foods unhealthy).

Since the article mostly talks about parents giving their children juice, I doubt a really nuanced view of juice intake is being followed.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#104
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's assume you eat the same amounts. It makes a difference if you eat in the morning or in the evening. If you eat very late most likely you won't digest as well and you will gain weight. You will always lose weight on a deficit but depending on when you eat the amount for a deficit will be different. Same for the type of food. From my own observation I will gain weight if I eat only a few pretzels daily even if ev…

Let's assume you eat the same amounts. It makes a difference if you eat in the morning or in the evening. If you eat very late most likely you won't digest as well and you will gain weight. That’s considered a myth that’s been debunked ages ago. https://www.webmd.com/diet/features/diet-truth-myth-eating-n...

The good thing is that with eating you can do a lot of self experimentation and see if things work. I have done this experiment myself and I know a lot of people who also have noticed that the time and frequency of eating makes a huge difference. In this case I trust personal experience more than some study. The health profession doesn't have a very good track record of helping people with weight control.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#105
post #88

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> wired on sugar That's not a thing. http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/sugar-and-candy-... (From one of the co-authors of this article)

Have kids and give them sugar. It absolutely is a verifiable thing. You get ~2-3 hours of hyperactivity/tunnelvision followed by the crying crash to nap combo. Every parent knows this. It's real and repeatable.

I do have kids... I also know the differences between anecdotes and evidence.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's assume you eat the same amounts. It makes a difference if you eat in the morning or in the evening. If you eat very late most likely you won't digest as well and you will gain weight. That’s considered a myth that’s been debunked ages ago. https://www.webmd.com/diet/features/diet-truth-myth-eating-n...

The good thing is that with eating you can do a lot of self experimentation and see if things work. I have done this experiment myself and I know a lot of people who also have noticed that the time and frequency of eating makes a huge difference. In this case I trust personal experience more than some study. The health profession doesn't have a very good track record of helping people with weight control.

It’s not the time that you eat from what I’ve read. It ends up being a form of calorie restriction by reducing the number of hours that you eat.

If I come home, work out and then it’s late and I’m hungry,I’ll often just go to bed and not eat. It’s much easier dealing with hunger when you’re sleep than skipping breakfast and then trying to concentrate at work. It’s also, by definition, easier to resist temptation when you’re sleep....

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good thing is that with eating you can do a lot of self experimentation and see if things work. I have done this experiment myself and I know a lot of people who also have noticed that the time and frequency of eating makes a huge difference. In this case I trust personal experience more than some study. The health profession doesn't have a very good track record of helping people with weight control.

It’s not the time that you eat from what I’ve read. It ends up being a form of calorie restriction by reducing the number of hours that you eat. If I come home, work out and then it’s late and I’m hungry,I’ll often just go to bed and not eat. It’s much easier dealing with hunger when you’re sleep than skipping breakfast and then trying to concentrate at work. It’s also, by definition, easier to resist temptation when…

And you sleep better on an empty stomach once you are used to it.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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post #13

I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…

> It's not much better, calorically speaking, than soda. It's a whole lot better nutritionally. Complete juice abstinence is silly unless your child seriously struggles with weight issues. A 6oz glass once in a while isn't going to give them diabetes.

I’d rather not give my kids a glass of juice OR soda but to each his/her own.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

#109
post #13

I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…

> wired on sugar That's not a thing. http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/sugar-and-candy-... (From one of the co-authors of this article)

Maybe it’s the environment in which I give my kids sugar that causes them to be wired.

But regardless, the crash is horrible to behold.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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post #34

Next, let's dispel the notion that fat is bad for you. It's the strangest thing to me to see parents feeding their kids "skim milk", which is really just milk flavored water, because whole milk "has fat" and therefore must make their children fat. I only drank whole milk as a kid. A glass with every meal. My parents never bought any juice or soda and me and all of my siblings grew up healthy and strong with no caviti…

You’re rolling too many things into one here. The concept that fat makes people fat as a direct consequence is false, but only if the calories gained from that fat are reduced elsewhere. Fat contains very dense calories, so consuming fat can lead to too many calories which leads to getting fat. That is not to say that a diet should be devoid of fat and replaced with sugar, just that the overall diet needs to be balanced with both, and not exceed the number of calories required. Any amount of “glugging down sodas” is certainly a problem, no matter if you’re also getting fat in your diet elsewhere.

On to the milk thing... Your complaint about skim milk presupposes that the whole variety is actually meant to be consumed by humans. By “meant” I assume that evolution has formulated the milk of various mamamals to the offspring of their own respective species. So for that definition of “meant”, how can one say that milk formulated for bovine offspring is meant for human consumption as is? Would not the ratios of fat, sugars, vitamins, etc. be out of balance with what a human needs? Right away, the widespread problem of lactose intolerance in humans, even many babies, upholds this view even a little. So why shouldn’t the formulation of cow’s milk as consumed by humans be altered outside of its natural state?

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