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Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by schmichael »

kareemm wrote: post #13

I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…

My only difference is prune juice. Because my 2.5yo has only had other juices a couple of times, he thinks prune juice is a huge treat. I give him 2-3oz as a quick and easy source of fiber to promote regularity which is rrrreally helpful when potty training (side note: parenting is sooo dignified).

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

User23 wrote: post #17
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go eat 5000 calories a day of veggies without becoming obese then. Just because calories isn't the only important factor in obesity does not mean its not a factor at all. Scientists are simply building a more sophisticated understanding of obesity that looks at many other factors.

I think the post you’re responding to is referring to well established results such as that there is no metabolic pathway to convert dietary protein to adipose tissue. While some dietary protein is glycolysized, that pathway only satisfies immediate energy needs. Excess dietary protein that isn’t used on lean tissue is eliminated by the kidneys.

Thats interesting.. so does that mean eating a lot of protein cannot make you gain fat? It would just be a tax on your kidneys instead?

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by JshWright »

alphabettsy wrote: post #68
Puer wrote: post #34

Next, let's dispel the notion that fat is bad for you. It's the strangest thing to me to see parents feeding their kids "skim milk", which is really just milk flavored water, because whole milk "has fat" and therefore must make their children fat. I only drank whole milk as a kid. A glass with every meal. My parents never bought any juice or soda and me and all of my siblings grew up healthy and strong with no caviti…

There’s some evidence to suggest milk isn’t really good for you either

And basically no evidence that it's good for you.

Here's a great video on the topic from one of the co-authors of this article:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzyFZcuHmeI

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by throwaway5752 »

Puer wrote: post #66
throwaway5752 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's simply not true about skim milk. It has just as much protein and calcium as whole milk. Maybe you and your siblings would have been even healthier with skim, maybe not, but it's not possible to deduce anything from your experience.

Skim milk typically doesn't contain vitamin A and fat is essential for helping our bodies absorb the vitamins and nutrients we consume. Plus, as a source of energy and calories, fat is much better than sugar for children because it takes longer to break down which aids diet regulation. The article talks about this, but the reason it's so easy to binge on snack foods like juice is because they don't make you feel full…

You called it "milk flavored water"

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by indecisive_user »

code_duck wrote: post #47

Seems like a drastic way to say like that juice is not as healthy as eating fruit, and is not a substitute for solid fruit. Also that it has a lot of sugar. When you see this headline, you’d think they might be including fresh squeeze juice from a variety of fruits and vegetables. They seem to only be talking about things like Coca-Cola’s Minute Maid and Walmart apple juice that the average American feeds their child…

> it’s hard to believe that the juice of 5 apples, a bunch of chard, a beet, 2 carrots, a stick of ginger and some celery would harm me or children.

Is this what each person gets or what you share with your children? That juice alone would contain around 100g of sugar, which regardless of where it comes from would be a lot for a single person, especially considering it won't be their only source of sugar in a day.

The problem with juices is that they're very easy to consume compared to their whole food counterpart and keep you full for a shorter time. I'm not sure exactly what definition you're using for fresh squeezed juice, but if you're not using the whole fruit then you're likely losing a lot of the fiber that makes whole fruit healthier

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by jwilk »

throwaway080383 wrote: post #61
JshWright wrote: post #8

Here's some context on the authors: https://twitter.com/aaronecarroll/status/1015682328411230208

Does anyone else have about a 40% success rate on clicking Twitter links? Maybe I'm rate-limited because I don't have an account, but the level of reliability I see clicking a few links a day isn't exactly compelling.

What do you mean by "success rate on clicking Twitter links"?

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by anothergoogler »

kareemm wrote: post #13

I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went: Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?" A: "Water." Q: "Just water?" A: "Yep. If you want to get fan…

> It's not much better, calorically speaking, than soda.

It's a whole lot better nutritionally. Complete juice abstinence is silly unless your child seriously struggles with weight issues. A 6oz glass once in a while isn't going to give them diabetes.

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Post by jakobegger »

throwaway080383 wrote: post #61
JshWright wrote: post #8

Here's some context on the authors: https://twitter.com/aaronecarroll/status/1015682328411230208

Does anyone else have about a 40% success rate on clicking Twitter links? Maybe I'm rate-limited because I don't have an account, but the level of reliability I see clicking a few links a day isn't exactly compelling.

Links from HN seem to be broken generally. Clicking refresh works for me.

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Post by jakobegger »

jwilk wrote: post #76
throwaway080383 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone else have about a 40% success rate on clicking Twitter links? Maybe I'm rate-limited because I don't have an account, but the level of reliability I see clicking a few links a day isn't exactly compelling.

What do you mean by "success rate on clicking Twitter links"?

Links to twitter often show an error message instead of the tweet.

Re: Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy

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Post by indecisive_user »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #72
User23 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the post you’re responding to is referring to well established results such as that there is no metabolic pathway to convert dietary protein to adipose tissue. While some dietary protein is glycolysized, that pathway only satisfies immediate energy needs. Excess dietary protein that isn’t used on lean tissue is eliminated by the kidneys.

Thats interesting.. so does that mean eating a lot of protein cannot make you gain fat? It would just be a tax on your kidneys instead?

Well in practice it would be very tough to over eat on protein alone. Assuming a 2000 calorie diet you'd need to eat over 500g of protein which is roughly 4lbs of chicken breast or 5lbs of tuna.

But at that point it would also be quite harmful to the kidneys

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