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Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by pdimitar »

beachy wrote: post #92
ItsMe000001 wrote: post #78

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Perhaps - then tell him . The reason does not matter (especially since we are unlikely to hear it from anyone), what matters is that they refuse to say what it is. "Effort" is not an excuse either since they even replied to him - but with something unprofessional while still leaving out the reason for no good reason that I can think of. You can even mask it behind a more fuzzy reason if you think the specific reason…

Disagree. A while ago I experimented with giving job applicants honest feedback on why they were unsuccessful - not just the old platitudes like"there were stronger candidates". Big mistake. When you reject people, they really really want to dig in, know why and then refute or try to overturn that.

> When you reject people, they really really want to dig in, know why and then refute or try to overturn that.

That is 101% true. However, when you give feedback you can also politely say that it is not open for a debate.

"We found you lacking in X, Y and Z. We are not interested in advancing our communication. All the best and goodbye."

So IMO just give feedback once and never reply again. If somebody is persistent, block them. Then you would in your full right.

Being fully silent without a single message however is not okay.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by zem »

alanfranzoni wrote: post #154
zem wrote: post #93

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it raises the friction for people quoting your tweets and encouraging their followers to harass you.

Well... raises by how much? Is that really significant? By the way... that's it.

i'm betting it is - it's a classic funnel problem, where the more friction you add to a process the more people will abandon it.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by saintPirelli »

struppi wrote: post #138
saintPirelli wrote: post #133

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I really don't get how and - more importantly - why we moved from a common sense of "don't be a dick to other people" to the need to spell out pages and pages of behavioural guidelines.

OK, this is now totally off-topic WRT the original blog post, but... We had a very short code of conduct at SoCraTes Austria. Then we thought about what might happen when we have a violation (endless discussions about whether that was actually a real violation and whether our response was justified, maybe even within the team). So, we sat down and wrote a slightly longer version, which tries to spell out some unwante…

Fair enough, but can you imagine a CoC that suffices in any situation? You will have situations where someone is acting out and at the same time you didn't think of it in your CoC and you will still be able to identify the behaviour as unacceptable, in most cases rather quickly.

So if I say "well actually..." on your conference I might get escorted out even if nobody took offense, but if I race around on my skates and make people uncomfortable because they are afraid I might run into them, that's fine because it doesn't really fall under any point mentioned in your CoC?

That's obviously nonsense. Just don't be a dick. And if you are, be a dick somewhere else.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by saintPirelli »

sgift wrote: post #142
saintPirelli wrote: post #133

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I really don't get how and - more importantly - why we moved from a common sense of "don't be a dick to other people" to the need to spell out pages and pages of behavioural guidelines.

- Moderating communities sucks - At some point you will have to make a judgement call as a moderator, if you have no written rules every decision is a judgement call - Someone will not like your judgement call, you then get a discussion - To make sure you don't waste time having the same conversation again you write it down - Rinse 'n repeat, you now have a CoC, whether you like it or not

I never had to moderate a community, but I that chronology makes perfect sense to me. I guess it is what it is then.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by saintPirelli »

Xylakant wrote: post #151
saintPirelli wrote: post #75

After reading the "code of conduct" on their homepage I would assume that you have unknowligly broken something like > "Using gendered terms like “dude” or “guys” to address a mixed-gendered group of people contributes to furthering exclusion of underrepresented individuals." The fact that they included an option to "make an anonymous" report furthers the assumption that you just got under the political wheels of the…

Your quote is disingenious since it cuts the following, quite crucial sentence. The full paragraph reads: Sexism Using gendered terms like “dude” or “guys” to address a mixed-gendered group of people contributes to furthering exclusion of underrepresented individuals. We strongly advise avoiding gendered pronouns as well as gendered terms. The whole short paragraph is listed in the "please pay a little attention to t…

No, boneheaded impolite dick is fine dude.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by adamrezich »

intothemild wrote: post #143

Look, this is a Javascript conference, and these now are just super about getting only candidates who are "Javascript famous" or have a lot of twitter followers. I wouldn't waste your time, either applying or attending. If being on the conference circut is what you want and in javascript then you've got two choices. 1. Create a Open Source library that is suuuuuuuper popular. 2. Get a shitload of Twitter followers. C…

maybe by posting this he is doing (2.) :)

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by marme »

c12 wrote: post #148
rplnt wrote: post #136

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I'm fairly certain I saw "guys" used to address even women-only groups in American movies and TV. Conference that wants to be internationally inclusive, which I assume a conference in English held in Germany wants to be, should not ostracize people based on grammar technicalities. That's just one word, but pronouns in particular differ greatly across languages. Objects can have genders, occupations can have genders,…

I've never assumed "guys" to be gendered, here it just refers to a group of people.

websters defines it as being genderless when being used to refer to a group of people https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/guy

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by dsajames »

Xylakant wrote: post #152
c12 wrote: post #148

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I've never assumed "guys" to be gendered, here it just refers to a group of people.

That's why it's pointed out in the CoC - to make people aware that not all people feel included by "guys". I know quite a few that don't.

They may not feel included, but it's proper English to use guys as an ungendered reference to a group. It's been in the dictionary a very long time.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by BrendanEich »

ondras wrote: post #21
downandout wrote: post #19

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It could be the number of proposals. I haven't seen his Twitter, but if he mentioned being a member of the "Brendan Eich fan club" on Twitter as he did on his blog, that may have also led to his being blocked. Brendan Eich was forced out of his role as CEO of Mozilla after a few vocal employees there found out he had donated $1,000 to support an anti-gay marriage bill in California many years before he was CEO. If th…

The "Brendan Eich club" is actually a small inside joke, as the sign was one of the official "features" of JSConf.eu 2011, where Brendan was an invited speaker :)

I also spoke in 2013.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by downandout »

BrendanEich wrote: post #169
ondras wrote: post #21

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The "Brendan Eich club" is actually a small inside joke, as the sign was one of the official "features" of JSConf.eu 2011, where Brendan was an invited speaker :)

I also spoke in 2013.

For the record, I think that what happened to you over a years-old, minor donation - regardless of what it supported - was ridiculous. Whenever someone suggests that I move to the Valley because I am in the tech industry, I bring up your story as an example of why I want nothing to do with most of the people that live there.
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