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Post by andrenth »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #118
Melchizedek wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps he shouldn't care about a conference but when the deranged people start affecting employment , then they have crossed a line. Then it's all out war. They should be ostracized, shamed, fired and barred from employment. We should prevent hiring anybody who shows any sign of belonging to the PC-brigade. (Make no mistake - they are already doing this to their perceived "enemies", and not just based on opinions bu…

Where is the evidence that any “PC brigades” are raising illegitimate complaints affecting people’s careers? Your post reads like fear-mongering of laughably incorrect activist-left stereotypes. This is HN, we can do better than that.

Brendan Eich and James Damore, just off the top of my head.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by sgift »

saintPirelli wrote: post #133
aembleton wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they make it clear, but that is quite a lot to consider https://2018.jsconf.eu/code-of-conduct/

I really don't get how and - more importantly - why we moved from a common sense of "don't be a dick to other people" to the need to spell out pages and pages of behavioural guidelines.

- Moderating communities sucks

- At some point you will have to make a judgement call as a moderator, if you have no written rules every decision is a judgement call

- Someone will not like your judgement call, you then get a discussion

- To make sure you don't waste time having the same conversation again you write it down

- Rinse 'n repeat, you now have a CoC, whether you like it or not

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by intothemild »

Look, this is a Javascript conference, and these now are just super about getting only candidates who are "Javascript famous" or have a lot of twitter followers. I wouldn't waste your time, either applying or attending. If being on the conference circut is what you want and in javascript then you've got two choices.

1. Create a Open Source library that is suuuuuuuper popular.

2. Get a shitload of Twitter followers.

Conferences are a business, that business is selling tickets.. big names sell tickets. It's like if I have a music festival, and I open up applications to everyone. I'm only doing that on paper, realistically I'm only getting the biggest musicians.. cause that sells tickets.

If conferences are your dream... Chose a different language, because JS is toxic and the ONLY voices you will hear now are those that have already become "Javascript Famous".

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by Sean1708 »

TangoTrotFox wrote: post #79
alanfranzoni wrote: post #57

Slightly off topic: I've always found twitter-style blocking totally nonsensical. I mean: you've got a public account. Blocking should prevent people from replying or tweeting at you, and from sending you DMs, maybe even retweeting what you said (even though I'm not sure about the usefulness of this last thing)... but why should ANYONE be prevented at just READING PUBLIC CONTENT when LOGGED IN? (I think the same appl…

I've also wondered about this, and the only conclusion I could come to is quite cynical. Think about the practical effects. It encourages people to create multiple accounts and also encourages warring of various sorts. These behaviors send Twitter's usage and user numbers up without bots while enabling complete plausible deniability about any complicity. It's a problem with ad-driven networks. Their goal is to increa…

They tried to change the behaviour to the one that makes sense (to us) but there was backlash from users and so they reverted the change.[0]

[0]: https://www.imore.com/twitter-changes-how-block-works-heres-...

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by mosselman »

philjackson wrote: post #64
mosselman wrote: post #10

I have not experience with running any popular twitter handles, but I can imagine that they block lots of people for various reasons, ranging from trivial to non-trivial. Honestly, if I were you, I'd simply let it go and not care if you can. Also, from the information you have given, from a certain point of view, you might come off a bit needy: You send in 5-6 proposals per year and send direct messages and mails to…

> You send in 5-6 proposals per year and send direct messages and mails to multiple people when you don't receive answers Jesus, if you think that comes off as needy, you should see what founders often have to do to get going.

Is this back door bragging?

So nothing can be categorised if it is not the most extreme example of its potential category?

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by Melchizedek »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #118
Melchizedek wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps he shouldn't care about a conference but when the deranged people start affecting employment , then they have crossed a line. Then it's all out war. They should be ostracized, shamed, fired and barred from employment. We should prevent hiring anybody who shows any sign of belonging to the PC-brigade. (Make no mistake - they are already doing this to their perceived "enemies", and not just based on opinions bu…

Where is the evidence that any “PC brigades” are raising illegitimate complaints affecting people’s careers? Your post reads like fear-mongering of laughably incorrect activist-left stereotypes. This is HN, we can do better than that.

It's the nature of these things that they are not done in the open so there is mostly lived experience and anecdotes, but if you think people like this https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/internal-emails... won't affect your career if you are not 100% Red Guard-level down with extreme PC-ism, then I think you are quite confused.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by [deleted] »

alanfranzoni wrote: post #57

Slightly off topic: I've always found twitter-style blocking totally nonsensical. I mean: you've got a public account. Blocking should prevent people from replying or tweeting at you, and from sending you DMs, maybe even retweeting what you said (even though I'm not sure about the usefulness of this last thing)... but why should ANYONE be prevented at just READING PUBLIC CONTENT when LOGGED IN? (I think the same appl…

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Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by c12 »

rplnt wrote: post #136
saintPirelli wrote: post #75

After reading the "code of conduct" on their homepage I would assume that you have unknowligly broken something like > "Using gendered terms like “dude” or “guys” to address a mixed-gendered group of people contributes to furthering exclusion of underrepresented individuals." The fact that they included an option to "make an anonymous" report furthers the assumption that you just got under the political wheels of the…

I'm fairly certain I saw "guys" used to address even women-only groups in American movies and TV. Conference that wants to be internationally inclusive, which I assume a conference in English held in Germany wants to be, should not ostracize people based on grammar technicalities. That's just one word, but pronouns in particular differ greatly across languages. Objects can have genders, occupations can have genders,…

I've never assumed "guys" to be gendered, here it just refers to a group of people.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by dangerface »

jakobegger wrote: post #45

Why do you keep bugging someone when they obviously do not want you to contact them? Blocking you is a way of saying "Leave me alone!" Not replying to direct messages or emails is a way of saying "Leave me alone!" Nobody needs to explain why they want to be left alone. Maybe stop thinking about yourself, and just accept that the people behind the twitter handles just don't want you to contact them anymore for whateve…

Blocking you is a way of saying "Leave me alone!"

Thats an assumption it could have been a mistake, it could have been temporary, it could have been any number of reasons. Maybe there is a good reason they blocked you, if you knew this reason maybe you could fix it or accept your differences and move on, both good social outcomes for both parties.

You are being anti-social by assuming other people actions. You also assume that the other persons action was also anti-social. You then assume that doing the social thing and talking to the person in a reasonable manor will be treated as unreasonable and anti-social (this makes sense if you think they are anti-social). So you don't ask, their anti-social behaviour is never questioned and they carry on with it. They probably blocked you for a reason, you were being anti-social but since you never questioned that reason you too will carry on with it.

This anti-social behaviour encourages itself.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by [deleted] »

andrenth wrote: post #141
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is the evidence that any “PC brigades” are raising illegitimate complaints affecting people’s careers? Your post reads like fear-mongering of laughably incorrect activist-left stereotypes. This is HN, we can do better than that.

Brendan Eich and James Damore, just off the top of my head.

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