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Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by mijamo »

nicky0 wrote: post #38
struppi wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably have personal data / personal identifiable information about you when they blocked you and still know about it ... And you can ask them what data they have about you.

You think they are keeping a permanent database of twitter block reasons?

Doesn't need to be a database, a simple spreadsheet or text file would do as well.

And you would be surprised to know how frequent those are (not necessarily about Twitter but in general about customers/employees/visitors in shops etc.)

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by DoubleGlazing »

jesperht wrote: post #25
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #13

Personally I'd walk away, life is too short to care about why a twitter user blocked you. But seeing as this is in the EU, the author could use the GDPR to find out why he was banned.

Out of curiosity, what part of the GDPR would require them to explain the ban-reason?

IANAL But as I understand it if they have any internal records/messages/emails etc about why they blocked a user on twitter then that would be classed as personally identifiable information and would have to be revealed to the user on demand.

Of course if they just spontaneously clicked 'block user' whilst browsing twitter because they just didn't like something he wrote then the above would be moot.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by saintPirelli »

aembleton wrote: post #127
saintPirelli wrote: post #75

After reading the "code of conduct" on their homepage I would assume that you have unknowligly broken something like > "Using gendered terms like “dude” or “guys” to address a mixed-gendered group of people contributes to furthering exclusion of underrepresented individuals." The fact that they included an option to "make an anonymous" report furthers the assumption that you just got under the political wheels of the…

At least they make it clear, but that is quite a lot to consider https://2018.jsconf.eu/code-of-conduct/

I really don't get how and - more importantly - why we moved from a common sense of "don't be a dick to other people" to the need to spell out pages and pages of behavioural guidelines.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by krainboltgreene »

saintPirelli wrote: post #133
aembleton wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they make it clear, but that is quite a lot to consider https://2018.jsconf.eu/code-of-conduct/

I really don't get how and - more importantly - why we moved from a common sense of "don't be a dick to other people" to the need to spell out pages and pages of behavioural guidelines.

Yes, I too wonder why all social issues can't easily be solved by 7 word phrases. I also find myself, like you, thinking that everyone has the same "common sense"!

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by saintPirelli »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #134
saintPirelli wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't get how and - more importantly - why we moved from a common sense of "don't be a dick to other people" to the need to spell out pages and pages of behavioural guidelines.

Yes, I too wonder why all social issues can't easily be solved by 7 word phrases. I also find myself, like you, thinking that everyone has the same "common sense"!

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know this conference was aiming to "solve all social issues" with their code of conduct.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by rplnt »

saintPirelli wrote: post #75

After reading the "code of conduct" on their homepage I would assume that you have unknowligly broken something like > "Using gendered terms like “dude” or “guys” to address a mixed-gendered group of people contributes to furthering exclusion of underrepresented individuals." The fact that they included an option to "make an anonymous" report furthers the assumption that you just got under the political wheels of the…

I'm fairly certain I saw "guys" used to address even women-only groups in American movies and TV.

Conference that wants to be internationally inclusive, which I assume a conference in English held in Germany wants to be, should not ostracize people based on grammar technicalities.

That's just one word, but pronouns in particular differ greatly across languages. Objects can have genders, occupations can have genders, plurals can differ or be the same, etc.. Someone who is not a native speaker can easily make a mistake that is related to gender.

It's always the intent that should be taken into account, not whether someone was offended.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by Avamander »

rplnt wrote: post #136
saintPirelli wrote: post #75

After reading the "code of conduct" on their homepage I would assume that you have unknowligly broken something like > "Using gendered terms like “dude” or “guys” to address a mixed-gendered group of people contributes to furthering exclusion of underrepresented individuals." The fact that they included an option to "make an anonymous" report furthers the assumption that you just got under the political wheels of the…

I'm fairly certain I saw "guys" used to address even women-only groups in American movies and TV. Conference that wants to be internationally inclusive, which I assume a conference in English held in Germany wants to be, should not ostracize people based on grammar technicalities. That's just one word, but pronouns in particular differ greatly across languages. Objects can have genders, occupations can have genders,…

Especially if the person's native language might not even have genders.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by struppi »

saintPirelli wrote: post #133
aembleton wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they make it clear, but that is quite a lot to consider https://2018.jsconf.eu/code-of-conduct/

I really don't get how and - more importantly - why we moved from a common sense of "don't be a dick to other people" to the need to spell out pages and pages of behavioural guidelines.

OK, this is now totally off-topic WRT the original blog post, but... We had a very short code of conduct at SoCraTes Austria.

Then we thought about what might happen when we have a violation (endless discussions about whether that was actually a real violation and whether our response was justified, maybe even within the team).

So, we sat down and wrote a slightly longer version, which tries to spell out some unwanted behaviour and some guidlines for conference stuff ( http://socrates-conference.at/code-of-conduct/ ).

We also wanted to explain why we have the CoC in the first place and how we'd like people to behave. It surely is not perfect (probably too long and too short at the same time).

But if you think "don't be a dick to other people" would suffice as a CoC, imagine you are the organizer of an event, and then try to list all the things that might go wrong. Be creative - I'm sure you can imagine situations where it does not suffice.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by threatofrain »

hbaav6 wrote: post #41

At some point you offended the wrong person, they added you to one of those shared blocklists, and that's all, you're banned forever. Who's to blame? I'd say you, for caring. This is the way politics works now, and some software projects have, for some reason, joined the politics battle. By caring you're giving them weight. Just flip them off, tell them to go fuck themselves, and keep thinking the way you do. It's no…

Your advice sounds like it's for Reddit trolls, not for a professional group that just banned a speaking professional. Future professionals will not understand why you have been banned, they will just see your name on a long list.

I feel like re-orienting your psychology to feel better without addressing the situation is ducking your head in the sand.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by gsich »

palerno wrote: post #22

You either follow an account that has been banned, or the accounts you follow themselves follow accounts that have been banned. In the other direction, an account that follows you has been banned or they follow accounts that have been banned. @jsconfeu probably use some of the popular lists.

Banning you because you follow someone else. People who do that are braindead.
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