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With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

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Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

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Still only matters for first job and then if you have nothing else to show. As a hiring manager, its a minus for me to see unless its for intern. But surprising how often i see on cvs. (Speaking as former top of ChE class and frequent outlier to be removed on grading curves.)

How can good grades ever be a minus?

Dumb people prefer the company of other dumb people.

Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grade inflation refers to the phenomena of getting an "A" despite having what used to be a "B" or "C" level of knowledge. If an institution gives grade A based on some objective criteria and students getting the grade C turn out to be successful then methodology of the institution will be considered flawed by the vast majority. Soon, the institution will lose its relevance. If the institutions have to stay relevant,…

>> Grade inflation refers to the phenomena of getting an "A" despite having what used to be a "B" or "C" level of knowledge. > If an institution gives grade A based on some objective criteria and students getting the grade C turn out to be successful business people then methodology of the institution will be considered flawed by the vast majority. Soon, the institution will lose its relevance. What you describe is g…

> Grades aren't meant to be predictors of career success, they're meant to be indicators of past academic performance.

Isn't it both? If we had figured out the perfect academic program for all time, then it could be just a reflection of performance compared to all prior students in the program. Since we haven't, we update the programs and that might mean some aspects become easier and some harder. Or maybe overall easier, if career demands have generally gone down (which, imo, is a much more interesting discussion than whether an 'A' is really an 'A').

Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

#93

For college students, I absolutely recommend transferring up if your GPA is above 3.8 and you're attending a lower-tier school. Your alma mater will resonate throughout your career. Your GPA will disappear after your first or second job. Better to get a C at MIT than an A at RPI.

A big problem though is that a college is such a big institution with an array of faculties in it and every single course credit can piggy back that reputation.

The government of Sweden does routine quality checks on the university program (we don’t do the whole major/minor thing, we have focused programs) and my computer engineering program in a small university was ranked second while KTH and Chalmers were tied for last and were ordered to change their programs to keep giving out engineering degrees in that field. In case you’re not Swedish, those two are the most renowned schools.

What’s in a name? That which we call a rose, By any other name would smell as sweet.

- William Shakespeare

Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

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" Everyone can be super! And when everyone's super... [laughs maniacally] ... no one will be." - Syndrome, The Incredibles

Except that Syndrome's plan was to use technology to actually make everyone better, which in a way is admirable.

What we have here is that we leave everyone mediocre but tell them all that they are super. Now we are left with no way to measure the people who really have put in the work to become better.

Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

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My grandfather was CEO of an NYSE listed company and he preferred to hire people out of college whom had lower GPAs around 3.0 then perfect students because he thought these folks made for better team members and well rounded employees. Simply put he wanted to hire people who perused side passions and had a social life. Personally after having been in entrepreneurial circles for years it seems the most financially su…

> he preferred to hire people out of college whom had lower GPAs around 3.0 then perfect students because he thought these folks made for better team members and well rounded employees. Simply put he wanted to hire people who perused side passions and had a social life.

But these things are not exclusive - you can't look at someone's impressive academic achievements and assume they don't have a social life or hobbies.

Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

#96
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> Better to get a C at MIT than an A at RPI. That is a poor example. RPI is an excellent institution. After you get past the top-50 or so schools, reputation matters far less. If you are truly attending a 'low-tier' school then MIT might matter, but for most jobs the vast majority of institutions are only small differences. For my first job post PhD I was told I was selected over folks from Stanford and Princeton: my…

I graduated from RPI summa cum laude, with a dual major, in two honor societies, and went straight to a tech giant, working as a software engineer. So I have standing to say that RPI has been mismanaged as an institution. Besides my personal experience, RPI's political troubles are well-documented and well-known [1][2][3]. With failed leadership and failed policies, this university has come to sit below CMU which its…

My brother graduated from RPI early because stuff with Shirley was so bad, she is a crazy dictator of a leader and I heard horror stories from both Professors who were under immense pressure to publish and students who were paying 65k a year for an education from professors who were under too much pressure to publish to be effective teachers.

Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grade inflation refers to the phenomena of getting an "A" despite having what used to be a "B" or "C" level of knowledge. So, it's possible there's an incidental correlation but there's no causation if the phenomena is real. If you've seen how the average kid uses the internet, it's a rather laughable suggestion... there is little overlap between social media entertainment sites and the web of knowledge. The biggest…

Grade inflation refers to the phenomena of getting an "A" despite having what used to be a "B" or "C" level of knowledge. If an institution gives grade A based on some objective criteria and students getting the grade C turn out to be successful then methodology of the institution will be considered flawed by the vast majority. Soon, the institution will lose its relevance. If the institutions have to stay relevant,…

Grading guidelines differ. Where I went, C was considered a good grade - more or less defined as the average among the students who didn't fail. Even an E means you got at least 40% of the points on the test.

Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I graduated from RPI summa cum laude, with a dual major, in two honor societies, and went straight to a tech giant, working as a software engineer. So I have standing to say that RPI has been mismanaged as an institution. Besides my personal experience, RPI's political troubles are well-documented and well-known [1][2][3]. With failed leadership and failed policies, this university has come to sit below CMU which its…

My brother graduated from RPI early because stuff with Shirley was so bad, she is a crazy dictator of a leader and I heard horror stories from both Professors who were under immense pressure to publish and students who were paying 65k a year for an education from professors who were under too much pressure to publish to be effective teachers.

Exactly. My professor who taught one of my Communication courses was so underpaid that the Times Union covered her.

https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Campus-Notebook-RPI...

RPI is a neverending horror story.

Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

#99

My grandfather was CEO of an NYSE listed company and he preferred to hire people out of college whom had lower GPAs around 3.0 then perfect students because he thought these folks made for better team members and well rounded employees. Simply put he wanted to hire people who perused side passions and had a social life. Personally after having been in entrepreneurial circles for years it seems the most financially su…

My dad was an accountant and eventually ended up having hiring responsibilities. Same deal: if you bought on someone who spent 3 years at university getting an A+ on everything, they probably didn’t spend a ton of time out meeting people and exploring the world, and thus typically less good in front of clients. Obviously lol everything, there will always be exceptions.

Re: With more students boasting flashy GPAs, academic honors lose their luster

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My grandfather was CEO of an NYSE listed company and he preferred to hire people out of college whom had lower GPAs around 3.0 then perfect students because he thought these folks made for better team members and well rounded employees. Simply put he wanted to hire people who perused side passions and had a social life. Personally after having been in entrepreneurial circles for years it seems the most financially su…

I think your grandfather was a wise man. I have frequently noticed the best employees I’ve hired are not the top students. They’re self starters, independent, and “street smart.” I actually never ask about education, simply because true intelligence doesn’t come from a classroom. The valedictorian will frequently bother me for the next task or to sign off on something, the 3.0 gpa figures it out on her own. Obviously…

If this is really the case, which I suspect it is, then university is a gigantic waste of time, and hiring practices are more like reading tea leaves rather than an "employee SLA".

that 30k i spent really wasnt worth it!!

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