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Mumbai bans plastic bags, bottles, and single-use plastic containers

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I have heard similar stories from other people who visited USA. So it does seem to be a normal behavior.

As a USA-ian, I've never seen this and would be appalled if I did.

It's more of a poor (dare I say "trailer trash") southern thing in my experience.

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Thank goodness somewhere is taking the obvious action of banning the packaging, which is really just pre-garbage. However, banning packaging only works if it is backed by a system for precisely standardised, refundable and washable containers that food and other products can be shipped in. You can't just say "no packaging". We need a MUCH better form of packaging than disposable/recyclable because recycling only work…

Better to use paper packaging. For food it can be waxed like in the olden days.

The wax is a petroleum product also..equally non-biodegradable.

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Instead, government could've imposed ban on the consumer products which are wrapped using plastic material. Almost 50% plastic come directly from such consumer products sold by all FMCG companies. Such plastic material which is used as a wrapper (e.g. mineral bottles, wrappers of chocolates, biscuits, wafers, tobacco, etc.) is often useless and people tend to throw it right away. I agree that "we", the people need to…

>Instead, government could've imposed ban on the consumer products which are wrapped using plastic material. Almost 50% plastic come directly from such consumer products sold by all FMCG companies. Such plastic material which is used as a wrapper (e.g. mineral bottles, wrappers of chocolates, biscuits, wafers, tobacco, etc.) is often useless and people tend to throw it right away. Broadly speaking, that would be a te…

> It's a net win, because the environmental impact of wasted cucumbers is far greater than the environmental impact of a gram or two of polyethylene wrapping.

Will need citation for that.

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Instead, government could've imposed ban on the consumer products which are wrapped using plastic material. Almost 50% plastic come directly from such consumer products sold by all FMCG companies. Such plastic material which is used as a wrapper (e.g. mineral bottles, wrappers of chocolates, biscuits, wafers, tobacco, etc.) is often useless and people tend to throw it right away. I agree that "we", the people need to…

AFAIK product packing is also included in the ban. The articles here state that plastic used for storage and packing of goods is also banned. Including packing of tooth brushes. https://www.firstpost.com/india/maharashtra-ban-war-on-plast... http://www.freepressjournal.in/mumbai/maharashtra-plastic-ba...

This is more or less impossible impose given how good and things move around in India.

After a while it will just be a joke, and another bribe making scheme for audit/police.

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Thank goodness somewhere is taking the obvious action of banning the packaging, which is really just pre-garbage. However, banning packaging only works if it is backed by a system for precisely standardised, refundable and washable containers that food and other products can be shipped in. You can't just say "no packaging". We need a MUCH better form of packaging than disposable/recyclable because recycling only work…

The washable aspect is key - they will have to take steps to work on that too. As a foreigner, when I'm in India, I know that I have to pay attention to (for example) which chai sellers the locals know to wash their cups properly, and to make sure that I see bottles of water are properly sealed before I drink from them. Water in particular will be a problem for foreigners if people start selling or serving it in jugs…

>Water in particular will be a problem for foreigners

Water is an immense problem for Indians. Diarrhoea is a major cause of childhood malnutrition, stunting and death. India still desperately needs clean water and adequate sanitation. The most important pledge in Narendra Modi's election campaign was more toilets.

https://www.prb.org/india-sanitation-malnutrition/

Re: Mumbai bans plastic bags, bottles, and single-use plastic containers

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Instead, government could've imposed ban on the consumer products which are wrapped using plastic material. Almost 50% plastic come directly from such consumer products sold by all FMCG companies. Such plastic material which is used as a wrapper (e.g. mineral bottles, wrappers of chocolates, biscuits, wafers, tobacco, etc.) is often useless and people tend to throw it right away. I agree that "we", the people need to…

>Instead, government could've imposed ban on the consumer products which are wrapped using plastic material. Almost 50% plastic come directly from such consumer products sold by all FMCG companies. Such plastic material which is used as a wrapper (e.g. mineral bottles, wrappers of chocolates, biscuits, wafers, tobacco, etc.) is often useless and people tend to throw it right away. Broadly speaking, that would be a te…

CO2 is only one environmental impact factor. Plastic waste is devastating for our oceans. Reducing plastic usage and CO2 should be twin goals.

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http://www.algopack.com/indexgb.php makes bottles out of seaweed (brown algae) and there're other companies trying to make reuseable bioplastic bottles out of sugarcane

> reuseable bioplastic bottles That's not any better if they still don't degrade, no?

Bioplastic (PLA) is biodegradable in a commercial facility, unlike petroleum-based bottle plastic (PET)

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Doesnt Mumbai do that every couple of years and the the whole thing fizzles out and then some new bureaucrat tries it again. This is from 2009 http://business.rediff.com/report/2009/dec/30/bmc-plans-to-b...

In Mumbai (and India), law enforcement is a huge challenge regardless of the laws.

What makes this issue worse is the existence of bullshit impractical laws, such as this.

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Instead, government could've imposed ban on the consumer products which are wrapped using plastic material. Almost 50% plastic come directly from such consumer products sold by all FMCG companies. Such plastic material which is used as a wrapper (e.g. mineral bottles, wrappers of chocolates, biscuits, wafers, tobacco, etc.) is often useless and people tend to throw it right away. I agree that "we", the people need to…

>Instead, government could've imposed ban on the consumer products which are wrapped using plastic material. Almost 50% plastic come directly from such consumer products sold by all FMCG companies. Such plastic material which is used as a wrapper (e.g. mineral bottles, wrappers of chocolates, biscuits, wafers, tobacco, etc.) is often useless and people tend to throw it right away. Broadly speaking, that would be a te…

That's all true, couple of years ago it made more sense to actually burn plastic waste, e.g. to use it to make steel than to recycle it. But the problem in India and China is that the plastic is dumped in the rivers and ends up in the food chain where we are all eating it later on. Steaks and glass bottles do no harm to the environment when just thrown away
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