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Yes. Illegal immigrants contribute more to the economy than they get out of it.

What if they are taking your job. They are of course taking away someone's job.

This sort of statement is not backed up by any evidence whatsoever.

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I'm not American. Could someone please explain concisely what the controversy about ICE is?

Immigration laws were passed in America over the past few decades without proper accounting for either the moral implications or the practical enforcement of the laws themselves. Very recently the current administration put pressure on law enforcement to follow closer the letter of the law, and being unprepared to do so many government agencies (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), resulting in unethical action such as separating a large number of immigrant children and placing them in under-provisioned detention centers like prisoners.

Both major political parties have used the situation to attack the others, the conflict itself being a large historical talking point in US politics on all levels, local, state, and federal.

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Fire every single one of those Microsoft employees. People in ICE protect me, mine, and our way of life with their lives every day of the week. I'm not going to flippantly say fuck those people because the politics of the day are making a mockery of a law that was duly imposed and enforced by both parties spanning multiple administrations because it's the fashionable political protest fad of the day. Protest the lead…

So can we arrest the ICE agents yet?

They are breaking the law.

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/16/immigration-border-asylu...

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=bcb78306f832a025ab...

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Why not? Take 'em one at a time. And let's start with our backyard because why not, it's easier to see the damage.

Your rationale seems to be: Microsoft is not consistently moral, so they should not take any moral stances. Well, then, I hate to break it to you, but progress is suuuuuper slow. That doesn't mean we never seek it.

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Yeah well I am American and it's not true. The majority of us who you have been made to believe 'defend' their residing here illegally want to see them treated humanely, and see sensible immigration reform and reasonable paths to citizenship for those who desire it. I know, and have worked with plenty of people whose papers weren't in order. They are people, just like you or me. I certainly have violated the law in m…

“Papers weren’t in order” is a hell of a euphemism for crossing into the country illegally or overstaying a temporary visa that is explicitly not for migration.

I used that phrase very intentionally. It has historical context, which is becoming ever more relevant.

We are witnessing a series of trial balloons, and they got just a little ahead of the ball on this one. Today, Mexicans. Tomorrow, dissidents.

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It would be entirely expected and likely, that were MSFT to cancel their ICE contract, that many other parts of the Federal government would leave MSFT's services. After all, they too would be only 1 media dustup away from having to deal with finding another vendor suddenly.

That's a lot easier said than done. Microsoft might decide to look ahead to a time when Trump is not in office. Are the short-term gains worth the long term reputational damage?

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Because in the US, and unlike Brazil, Voter ID laws are specifically enacted to discourage people from voting. It’s a solution looking for a problem (voter fraud is hardly an issue in the US). The Voter ID laws are all about putting a barrier in place to prevent $DEMOGRAPHIC from voting, then making it exceedingly difficult for $DEMOGRAPHIC to pass that barrier, even though it’s well within $DEMOGRAPHIC right to vote…

> Because in the US, and unlike Brazil, Voter ID laws are specifically enacted to discourage people from voting. How familiar are you with the voting laws in Brazil and the reasoning behind them?

I'm very familiar not only with the voting laws but the campaigns laws.

In my opinion, the voting laws in Brazil are not bad.

The US is very different than Brazil. One big difference is that in Brazil the TSE and the TREs and also the electronic ballot are standard. Here, each state has its system of voting and counting vote.

I believe that Brazil's problem is not at the vote, but after the politicians get elected.

Here, there's gerrymandering, vote suppression, Citizens United, super PACs. Very different problems.

But fear not. At the rate the current administration is implementing ignorant, racist and stupid policies, soon we will be just like Brazil.

The irony? The corruption at the highest echelons of the government and people cheering up bad leaders is not what I had in mind when I wished some stuff here was more like in Brazil (I thought more about food and extroverted people).

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I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.

I'm a naturalized American and I've always understood straw man fallacies are universal. Thanks for confirming that bias.

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>I don't understand the issue fully If you don't understand something maybe it is better to go read, rather than post. For one thing, going to a point-of-entry and requesting asylum is not a crime.

You may think it's terribly wrong, but that's how at least half of America thinks about the issue. So far, you only provided (soft) ad hominem attack. Attempting to break a law is not much worse than actually breaking a law.

The U.S. is actually required by law to accept and process valid refugee claims. Or do you think we should only follow laws that you like?

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Defending our democracy? How about the majorities that passed the immigration laws that are being enforced? What does democracy have to do with the right to immigrate to America without permission? Edit: I’m not commenting on the propriety of the Microsoft employees’ actions. They are clearly free to urge their employer to refrain from participating in something they disagree with. That is absolutely part of what liv…

The immigration laws don’t have to be enforced in these clearly abusive ways. A majority of Americans think that.

How do we know that? A majority of voting elgible US citizens didn't even bother to show up to vote.

Regardless what we got for the 2016 election, it was no mandate.

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