If only legal immigration reform had this much political attention...
Legal immigration has plenty of political attention.
As a way of beating your opponents with a stick.
Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE
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#22Where was Microsoft’s “protest” during the Obama years when this was still on-going?
Why protest now other than to virtue signal “me too”?
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#23>... [We] recognize the grave responsibility that those creating powerful technology have to ensure what they build is used for good, and not for harm. I don't read hear or read this sentiment nearly as often as I would like. Good on these folks for stepping up.
+1. and its a great idea to do as an open letter. let's hope it spreads
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#24>Microsoft has been positioning itself as tech’s moral leader. Mr. Nadella and Microsoft’s president, Brad Smith, have publicly said they want to protect user privacy Hard to take this seriously given what Windows 10 and other new microsoft products subject users to.
Lately, it's been hard to take anything from the media seriously. It's strange how the media has been treating microsoft with kid gloves while wailing on facebook.
It's a constant battle with windows 10. You could remove apps, update registry/configs, disable as much telemetry as possible but you never know what the monthly update is going undo. Not to mention the differences options you have for Home, Professional, Enterprise, etc.
Then I install net core and vs code on my linux box because "people" were raving about it. It has telemetry as well. You have options for disabling it, but why bother. I uninstalled both. Why deal the hassle. Vim is all you really need if you can get over the steep learning curve.
If Microsoft is tech's moral leader, then what does it say about the rest of the tech industry? Bu if they have the nytimes' seal of approval, who am I to disagree.
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#25I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.
Except for the natives, almost all of Americans are no more than two degrees separated from an immigrant who may or may not have been legal. It isn't surprising that they would be sympathetic to immigrants.
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#26 In my opinion, for decades politicians of this country tacitly allowed people to come to this country without adequate paperwork. Now asking them to go back is impractical and cruel. People who are here should be able to conduct their lives without the fear of getting arrested or deported while conducting everyday activities like going to dropping their kids to school or commuting to work. Let us be compassionate and give everyone already here a path to citizenship.
Just like President Obama did for DACA there should be a cutoff date for a path to citizenship. Once the cutoff date is reached we should deport new undocumented immigrants who don't have a legitimate asylum claim.
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#27I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.
It's baffling to me as well. For some reason lots of Americans also don't support ID requirements for voting either. I'm from Brazil and even here we require ID for voters. I really just don't get it.
Because in the US, and unlike Brazil, Voter ID laws are specifically enacted to discourage people from voting. It’s a solution looking for a problem (voter fraud is hardly an issue in the US).
The Voter ID laws are all about putting a barrier in place to prevent $DEMOGRAPHIC from voting, then making it exceedingly difficult for $DEMOGRAPHIC to pass that barrier, even though it’s well within $DEMOGRAPHIC right to vote.
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#28I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.
Is it really? Most people I know would probably contend that the illegal status of most of these people is due to flaws in our immigration system. They want this country to be a place where from all over can come to thrive if they are so motivated.
The quote engraved on the Statue of Liberty comes to mind...
“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
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#29If only legal immigration reform had this much political attention...
It’s sad, but it’s become the neglected step child for both dems (not enough upside) and Repubs (just lukewarm). On the other hand dems have done not quite a 180 but a 170 on illegal immigration because their calculus is that it will resonate with their base, given Trump has taken away their union labor to some extent. Obama had greater numbers in detention but back then it was a too much a third rail issue to bring attention to.
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#30I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.
I think you're getting it very wrong; this isn't about people saying "let's just allow illegal immigrants the full rights of legal immigrants". There are some people saying that, but they're a small minority.
This is about saying "some people have come here illegally. let's not psychologically torture their children for it" You can be for legal migration and the humane treatment of people at the same time.