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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by chris_wot » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:03 AM UTC

koolba wrote: post #93

i_dont_know_ wrote: post #30

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I think you're getting it very wrong; this isn't about people saying "let's just allow illegal immigrants the full rights of legal immigrants". There are some people saying that, but they're a small minority. This is about saying "some people have come here illegally. let's not psychologically torture their children for it" You can be for legal migration and the humane treatment of people at the same time.

What’s the alternative? Anyone else that commits a crime and is imprisoned is separated from their family and children. Why should illegal immigrants get a pass?

That's not correct. You don't seperate children from their parents over a misdemeanor.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by cm2012 » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:04 AM UTC

koolba wrote: post #93

i_dont_know_ wrote: post #30

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I think you're getting it very wrong; this isn't about people saying "let's just allow illegal immigrants the full rights of legal immigrants". There are some people saying that, but they're a small minority. This is about saying "some people have come here illegally. let's not psychologically torture their children for it" You can be for legal migration and the humane treatment of people at the same time.

What’s the alternative? Anyone else that commits a crime and is imprisoned is separated from their family and children. Why should illegal immigrants get a pass?

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor. So is jaywalking in many jurisdictions. Should the government rip away people's children, without trial, for jaywalking? How about pirating a movie (also a misdemeanor in places)?. Prosecutors have leeway on who to charge how much for a reason.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by dang » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:05 AM UTC

validationerror wrote: post #88

Nicksil wrote: post #10

>... [We] recognize the grave responsibility that those creating powerful technology have to ensure what they build is used for good, and not for harm. I don't read hear or read this sentiment nearly as often as I would like. Good on these folks for stepping up.

What's "good" is very subjective. Certainly transforming the US into Mexico 2.0 through mass immigration isn't inherently "good" in the eyes of many Americans. The demographic changes come with decline in almost ALL areas of life. Does anyone really expect the US to perform at the same level when you increasingly replace the European population with a Mestizo one?

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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by naikrovek » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:05 AM UTC

downandout wrote: post #118

modzu wrote: post #23

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+1. and its a great idea to do as an open letter. let's hope it spreads

How is it a "great idea" to protest enforcement of our own laws?

The child-parent separation that is happening is not a law. It is a new policy by the Trump administration to separate all unauthorized entries into the country as a deterrent to illegal immigration.

It is not an Obama-era policy. It is not a Clinton-era policy. It is not a law from any administration.

Even if it were a law, there is exactly nothing wrong with disagreeing with cruel and unusual behavior, even if it is codified in a statute at any level of government.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by ThbTs4wbXC9Qjv » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:05 AM UTC

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #110

ThbTs4wbXC9Qjv wrote: post #104

Fire every single one of those Microsoft employees. People in ICE protect me, mine, and our way of life with their lives every day of the week. I'm not going to flippantly say fuck those people because the politics of the day are making a mockery of a law that was duly imposed and enforced by both parties spanning multiple administrations because it's the fashionable political protest fad of the day. Protest the lead…

Hahaha. Just hahaha. Never knew imprisoning children required a lot of bravery.

So you'd rather see the children imprisoned with adults then? Even when we don't know 100% they are their parents or not?

That's just sick. Utterly repulsive.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by chris_wot » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:06 AM UTC

ginger123 wrote: post #96

popularrecluse wrote: post #61

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I've done everything from washing dishes, waiting tables, managing 2 coffee shops, landscape work, data entry, to my current work as a mobile developer. And I know where you're going with this, and no I've never had trouble finding work when I needed it.

What if I told you the presence of undocumented immigrants might have depressed your earnings as a dishwasher. No hard feelings still? PS. I know, I am assigning a stereotypical job to an undocumented immigrant.

What if I asked you for direct evidence to back your assertion?

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by naikrovek » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:06 AM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #134

wildmusings wrote: post #56

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Defending our democracy? How about the majorities that passed the immigration laws that are being enforced? What does democracy have to do with the right to immigrate to America without permission? Edit: I’m not commenting on the propriety of the Microsoft employees’ actions. They are clearly free to urge their employer to refrain from participating in something they disagree with. That is absolutely part of what liv…

It's got nothing to do with that. Seperating toddlers and very young children from their families is absolutely inhumane.

It's cruel, unusual, and inhumane, and almost certainly unconstitutional.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by dang » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:06 AM UTC

tessierashpool wrote: post #116

validationerror wrote: post #88

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What's "good" is very subjective. Certainly transforming the US into Mexico 2.0 through mass immigration isn't inherently "good" in the eyes of many Americans. The demographic changes come with decline in almost ALL areas of life. Does anyone really expect the US to perform at the same level when you increasingly replace the European population with a Mestizo one?

racist

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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by fzeroracer » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:07 AM UTC

koolba wrote: post #93

i_dont_know_ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're getting it very wrong; this isn't about people saying "let's just allow illegal immigrants the full rights of legal immigrants". There are some people saying that, but they're a small minority. This is about saying "some people have come here illegally. let's not psychologically torture their children for it" You can be for legal migration and the humane treatment of people at the same time.

What’s the alternative? Anyone else that commits a crime and is imprisoned is separated from their family and children. Why should illegal immigrants get a pass?

Why are immigrants the ones most frequently separated from their families, not the people employing them and abusing them?

Why are those seeking asylum being essentially entrapped in a web of systems and then being punished for not being lawyers whom memorized every single little detail on the books?

What is it that makes crossing a border seeking refuge from violence worse than people who drive drunk and get leniency, or those that speed or endanger the lives of other people?

And why do people keep making moral judgments as if a law by the virtue of existing makes it just or sound. Every day I guarantee you violate some sort of law and yet even people convicted of misdemeanors never lose full access to their family.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by TheCoelacanth » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 2:08 AM UTC

furgooswft13 wrote: post #101

cycrutchfield wrote: post #55

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Applying for asylum is a crime?

Not trying to get into a political flame fest here, but honest question: Is asylum seekers the new term for illegal immigrants? Before it was undocumented immigrants. I'll admit it seems like it may be a more effective terminology for garnering sympathy, but it also carries more expectations, some legal. According to USCIS "asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on ac…

"Asylum seekers" is the term for people who show up at a port of entry and ask for asylum. We don't have to admit all of them to the country, but are obligated by treaty to give their applications for asylum due consideration.

It is also not reasonable to forcibly separate them from their families when their only crime is to ask to be allowed into the country.