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It would be entirely expected and likely, that were MSFT to cancel their ICE contract, that many other parts of the Federal government would leave MSFT's services. After all, they too would be only 1 media dustup away from having to deal with finding another vendor suddenly.
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Is it really? Most people I know would probably contend that the illegal status of most of these people is due to flaws in our immigration system. They want this country to be a place where from all over can come to thrive if they are so motivated. The quote engraved on the Statue of Liberty comes to mind... “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teem…
Which A) is not what the Statue of Liberty is about, it's about Liberty B) was added well after the statue's construction and C) is a poem, not a law of the USA. If you really knew what Emma Lazarus's (EDIT: wrong last name used at first) views were, it might give you pause... (hint: she hated Ashkenazi Jews and saw them as low-class)
Why does the Valley feel that it's OK for immigration laws to be violated? Even very liberal countries around the world tend to be tough on illegal immigration. Why are we expected to put up with it in the US? I'm not trying to cause a big political discussion - I'm genuinely trying to understand how intelligent, tax-paying US citizens have arrived at this position.
Edit: So just downvotes then, no explanations or justifications for your positon. Got it. You're the best HN!
I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.
It's baffling to me as well. For some reason lots of Americans also don't support ID requirements for voting either. I'm from Brazil and even here we require ID for voters. I really just don't get it.
Almost all of them have come back that (a) they discourage elderly, minorities etc from voting and (b) they have no impact whatsoever on the levels of voter fraud.
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I think you're getting it very wrong; this isn't about people saying "let's just allow illegal immigrants the full rights of legal immigrants". There are some people saying that, but they're a small minority. This is about saying "some people have come here illegally. let's not psychologically torture their children for it" You can be for legal migration and the humane treatment of people at the same time.
This is such a distortion of what’s happening. Crossing into the US illegally is a crime. We are now arresting and charging people who commit it. We do not send innocent children to prison, so the only option is separation. If you commit any other crime and are arrested, you will be “separated” from your child, because your child does not belong in prison. Why do you expect this to be any different?
>... [We] recognize the grave responsibility that those creating powerful technology have to ensure what they build is used for good, and not for harm. I don't read hear or read this sentiment nearly as often as I would like. Good on these folks for stepping up.
>Good on these folks for stepping up. I am not American, but this is the point in time where you take a stand. Where America needs to fight for it's democracy. This is not the time to be complacent.
What does democracy have to do with the right to immigrate to America without permission?
Edit: I’m not commenting on the propriety of the Microsoft employees’ actions. They are clearly free to urge their employer to refrain from participating in something they disagree with. That is absolutely part of what living in a free society is all about. I’m commenting on the notion that they are somehow “defending democracy”.
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It's a country founded by immigrants and for much of its history it welcomed them (with some significant caveats). The assertion that America is only for people who are already here is both radical and relatively recent. That's what's crazy.
> The assertion that America is only for people who are already here is both radical and relatively recent. That's what's crazy. Well, to be fair, most immigration policy can be traced to blatantly racist policies, for instance against people of chinese descent.
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Is it really? Most people I know would probably contend that the illegal status of most of these people is due to flaws in our immigration system. They want this country to be a place where from all over can come to thrive if they are so motivated. The quote engraved on the Statue of Liberty comes to mind... “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teem…
Are you ok if illegals immigrants move into your neighborhood and compete for your job? EDIT: Why am I being downvoted? I asked a legitimate question. If illegal immigrants moved into your neighborhood and affected the socioeconomic status, school ratings etc of your neighborhood, how will you react? Will you advocate for the same policies you are advocating now? I have a feeling most of the people who are supporting…
Could someone help me understand the issue with this whole thing? If you show up to commit a crime with your children in tow, you are going to wind up separated from them while you go to jail for that crime. That is as true for illegal entry as it is for bank robbery. Why does the Valley feel that it's OK for immigration laws to be violated? Even very liberal countries around the world tend to be tough on illegal imm…