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Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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Post by eip »

cf498 wrote: post #39
wincy wrote: post #15

I’m really worried about the subset of the population with preexisting mental disorders such as manic depressive disorder, schizophrenia, and depression who will suffer a psychotic break from the use of these substances. Maybe I’m wrong, but from what I’ve heard and read it seems like there’s no way to know what will happen until you try it. A certain percentage of the population goes to hell in the most literal sens…

I am not sure about the percentage affected or what the preconditions have to be, or what other measures to detect them are, but personally I never tried psychedelics recreationaly due to their extremely long duration of effect. I know there is a good argument about setting, mindset and support being the relevant factors, but the possibility of multiple hour horror trips always made me think again. And again. Which i…

Everyone who smokes Salvia is at danger. Salvia is the worst.

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Post by camel_Snake »

oldgeezr wrote: post #123
wincy wrote: post #15

I’m really worried about the subset of the population with preexisting mental disorders such as manic depressive disorder, schizophrenia, and depression who will suffer a psychotic break from the use of these substances. Maybe I’m wrong, but from what I’ve heard and read it seems like there’s no way to know what will happen until you try it. A certain percentage of the population goes to hell in the most literal sens…

I have permanent visual disturbances and suffered long-term panic attacks and anxiety as a result of psychedelic use. Things got better over time, but not completely back to normal. I'm not advocating for the continuation of our current legal strategy, but I feel like these drugs need to come with strong cultural wisdom about their appropriate use and potential for abuse. Anyone who's been in a psychedelic community…

Out of curiosity do you have colorblindness?

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Post by godelski »

nonbel wrote: post #112
godelski wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why do we have weeks, why 7 days per week Because it is useful to divide up things into increments. 7 because there are 7 visible celestial bodies visible to the naked eye. Which the names derive from. > What does tuesday mean anyway Mars's day > what is the exact definition of day A singular rotation of the planet. Also known as a sidereal day. Or more simply put: sun goes up, sun goes down. > could there be plane…

>"Yes, but answers are also reasonably found You just picked the easiest questions and left out the rest... >"the person that discussed the historical reasoning and mythos that led to the naming of Tuesday and why having a seven day week is so pervasive throughout the world, leading back to ancients looking up at the sky (which was better than what most of us see, considering light pollution)." You should question th…

> You just picked the easiest questions and left out the rest...

You were just saying you shouldn't directly trust people and I'm saying you should also dig. You asked a lot of questions, I don't have the answer to all of them, but somebody might. And that's why I say dig. Somebody might have already done the work. I for one am not omniscient, don't just counter everyone with "well you don't know everything", it isn't useful and is a non sequitur to the topic at hand. The answers were to illustrate a point, not to provide exactness. And your entire reply missed what I was saying because you were caught up in minutia.

> You should question this as well.

Are you talking about when the asteroid hit or are you suggesting a fictitious example? If the former I suggest looking at a timeline of human evolution and studying more about animal behavior. The latter, yeah thought experiments are fun. Who is saying they aren't? I'm definitely not. I'm not even disagreeing with your main point, I'm expanding on it. I'm literally saying don't just ask a question and stop. Ask a question and search for an answer! And you might like a story called Night by Isaac Asimov. It does discuss what is likely to happen with civilizations capable of communication, mythos (and included exaggeration).

> This would explain why the Bible claims that light was created before the sun.

We're taking about questioning things and you're taking the Bible as directly literal? Maybe you should question that.

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Post by zug_zug »

tranchms wrote: post #165

I recommend reading the LSD Clincial Handbook: https://www.maps.org/resources/responding_to_difficult_psych... LSD changed my life, and continues to do so. If you live in California, check out MAPS and Psychedelic Seminars. I’m a huge advocate because I have experienced first hand the profound transformation that occurs as a result of a psychedelic experience.

Not to negate this anecdote, but just to point out your mileage may vary. The research on this subject is still in its infancy.

I know a lot of people are looking for that "magic-bullet" panacea for all their small woes (social anxiety, minor depression, etc) and have tried everything under the sun (exercise, all kinds of diets, all kinds of books). It's been my experience with the people I knew personally who did acid/psylocibin didn't always improve as much by my measure as they did by self-report.

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Post by ianai »

ams6110 wrote: post #113
ttul wrote: post #30

So, precisely the wrong approach would be to block research of any kind by continuing the severe prohibition of these substances.

Perhaps we need a new category of prescription, e.g. "for use only under direct supervision of a qualified medical professional" In other words it could be dispensed in a clinical setting, but not via a pharmacy or other "take home" pathways. I'm thinking that must already exists for certain surgical anesthetics, etc.

That’s how I’m able to get Botox injections for my migraines. There’s a thorough process in place for in office treatments already across many fields of medicine. This would be no different and plenty of money. I doubt Botox costs 1500 to manufacture a dose.

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Post by Florin_Andrei »

collyw wrote: post #33
Sir_Substance wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also takes a lot of commitment and time that not everyone has, and requires you to by physically capable of lifting weights which not everyone is. On a more nuanced note, different things work for different people, and gyms aren't the optimal mental healing environment for everyone. If you're gonna arrange everyone on a hypothetical comfort spectrum between gym and library, it seems reasonable that some people wou…

Gyms are the most boring place to get exercise. Go out and enjoy nature, I am sure that will double the benefits of getting exercise if its in order to treat depression.

It's pretty hard to do strength training outside of a gym. (please note I didn't say it's impossible)

For everything else I agree.

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Post by psyc »

cyberpip wrote: post #64

Lately, all this media attention to psychedelics reminds me of this Terence McKenna quote: "[W]hy this[psychedelics] is not four-inch headlines on every newspaper on the planet I cannot understand because I don’t know what news you were waiting for, but this is the news that I was waiting for. It’s an incredible challenge to human understanding to try and make sense of this." from https://www.asktmk.com/talks/Rap+Dan…

Psychedelics punch through the big illusion, as in maya. They give the game away. I feel people are subconsciously and collectively terrified of this.

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Post by bjourne »

ttul wrote: post #30

So, precisely the wrong approach would be to block research of any kind by continuing the severe prohibition of these substances.

The headline of the article is "Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study" So it appears that research into psychadelics is not blocked! The substances in question are classified as research chemicals meaning that scientists are indeed allowed to perform research on them.

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Post by taneq »

psyc wrote: post #177
cyberpip wrote: post #64

Lately, all this media attention to psychedelics reminds me of this Terence McKenna quote: "[W]hy this[psychedelics] is not four-inch headlines on every newspaper on the planet I cannot understand because I don’t know what news you were waiting for, but this is the news that I was waiting for. It’s an incredible challenge to human understanding to try and make sense of this." from https://www.asktmk.com/talks/Rap+Dan…

Psychedelics punch through the big illusion, as in maya. They give the game away. I feel people are subconsciously and collectively terrified of this.

Well they should be. Lovecraft was right, human minds aren't well equipped to handle the true nature of the universe.
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