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Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

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#111
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So, precisely the wrong approach would be to block research of any kind by continuing the severe prohibition of these substances.

That is precisely correct. The current framework has already destroyed countless lives, targeted minority populations disproportionately, and enriched drug companies peddling opiates (which are much much worse than recreational marijuana).

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#112
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"questioning why tuesdays exist" I don't see a problem with this line of questioning. There is lots interesting to consider there. Just some stream of thought: What does tuesday mean anyway, why do we have weeks, why 7 days per week, what is the exact definition of day, could there be planets without "days", do dogs recognize a weekly cycle, would they if "freerunning" without human companionship, what about wolves…

> why do we have weeks, why 7 days per week Because it is useful to divide up things into increments. 7 because there are 7 visible celestial bodies visible to the naked eye. Which the names derive from. > What does tuesday mean anyway Mars's day > what is the exact definition of day A singular rotation of the planet. Also known as a sidereal day. Or more simply put: sun goes up, sun goes down. > could there be plane…

>"Yes, but answers are also reasonably found

You just picked the easiest questions and left out the rest...

>"the person that discussed the historical reasoning and mythos that led to the naming of Tuesday and why having a seven day week is so pervasive throughout the world, leading back to ancients looking up at the sky (which was better than what most of us see, considering light pollution)."

You should question this as well. Have you ever considered there was a period where the ancients could not see the stars, moon, or sun due to excess clouds, smoke or dust blocking the view? Perhaps an asteroid hit, or there was a lot of volcanic activity, or whatever.

Imagine if it was always cloudy, perhaps this even lasted for a generation or two so that no one alive had ever seen any of that, then suddenly the sun appears through a break in the clouds. This would explain why the bible claims that light was created before the sun.

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#113
post #30

So, precisely the wrong approach would be to block research of any kind by continuing the severe prohibition of these substances.

Perhaps we need a new category of prescription, e.g. "for use only under direct supervision of a qualified medical professional"

In other words it could be dispensed in a clinical setting, but not via a pharmacy or other "take home" pathways.

I'm thinking that must already exists for certain surgical anesthetics, etc.

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#114
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"mental frailty...they begin to question everything" As opposed to blindly "believe everything"? I would say the ability to question everything is evidence of a strong independent adult mind. The ability to just believe everything you are told isn't really "frail" (which I associate with old age and wisdom), but still weak in a childlike sense.

Questioning everything is also child-like. It's more of a normal adult quality to learn what lines of questioning prove fruitful and what do not.

Its not so much questioning everything that is childlike, instead that would be not knowing enough to avoid talking about it with people who don't know or care.

Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study

#115
I'm very excited to see the results of this study [1], testing the effects of a one-time dose of psilocybin (magic mushrooms) on a sample size of 400+ suffering from treatment-resistant depression.

The podcast episode referenced in the article is also well-worth listening to. They talk about the current state of the research, the regulatory process, getting funding, etc.

[1] https://boingboing.net/2018/05/23/depression-the-psychedelic...

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#116
post #14
post #2

Or one could lift weights, which is even safer and has many positive ancillary effects. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...

A lot of people just want a no-effort cure-all. Things like exercise, meditation, healthy eating--all of which can help with mental health problems--require concentrated effort over a long period of time, and thus are unlikely to be preferred over a pill. Before anyone gets upset, I'm not saying that pills are bad, I'm just saying that many rely on them without making an effort to make other positive changes to their…

I'd argue that psychedelics aren't a no-effort solution at all. These experiences are at times very emotionally draining and uncomfortably introspective. The integration period then requires a further amount of the above. The interesting thing is, a guided experience tends to leads to the habits you listed above. In short, the experience can be seen as a catalysts to a maintainable lifestyle which facilitates recovery, not as the mode of recovery in itself.

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#117
post #30

So, precisely the wrong approach would be to block research of any kind by continuing the severe prohibition of these substances.

Perhaps we need a new category of prescription, e.g. "for use only under direct supervision of a qualified medical professional" In other words it could be dispensed in a clinical setting, but not via a pharmacy or other "take home" pathways. I'm thinking that must already exists for certain surgical anesthetics, etc.

> I'm thinking that must already exists for certain surgical anesthetics, etc.

Correct. You can get cocaine when you're at your ophthalmologist, but not from your pharmacy.

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#118
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, why 'or'? Second, anyone who thinks psychedelics are a shortcut or an easy way to do something obviously haven't experienced them.

> anyone who thinks psychedelics are a shortcut or an easy way to do something But this is how the early experiments with ketamine are being described - as a near instant treatment that takes a couple of hours and lasts for months.

I don't want to be overly pedantic here but Ketamine isn't a psychedelic. Instead it is a dissociative hallucinogen. In that line, Ketamine's mechanism for anti-depression is significantly more pharmacological than a classical psychedelic, which leads to a subjective experience that then leads to an effect.

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#119

There's some evidence to suggest that they could also mitigate or repair TBI and other types of brain damage. Hopefully the NFL will throw some money at research and end up becoming a proponent of this type of cure.

>they could also mitigate or repair TBI and other types of brain damage. Hopefully the NFL

they could be especially effective in mitigating TBI if taken right before the game :)

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#120
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A clinical setting is far different than giving someone some tabs and letting them loose at a concert or house party.

A clinic, concert, or house party are all terrible settings for taking LSD. They are confined, crowded spaces. You want something wide open, in nature. Try the mountains, or the desert.

My definition of clinical setting certainly includes nature, though I don't think that's required. The important part is professionals that first screen people (weed out people deemed to be high risk for bad episodes) and guides the process. A captain to steer the boat if you will.
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