There's some evidence to suggest that they could also mitigate or repair TBI and other types of brain damage. Hopefully the NFL will throw some money at research and end up becoming a proponent of this type of cure.
Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study
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Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study
#82This is wildly speculative, as expected. Some mice grew dendrites. That doesn't mean anything about humans and doesn't come close to meaning anything about depression. It's not that simple.
Read the article. They specifically talk about human brain cells.
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#83An interesting point is that since taking SSRIs LSD and mushrooms have a much more diminished effect on me which anecdotally seems to be common.
The SSRIs cause more circulating seratonin, which means there is less seratonin waiting to be released by the action of the LSD. Your high will be diminished, but also will last longer.
You're probably thinking of MDMA, which releases serotonin. LSD doesn't release seratonin, but it does have similar shape to serotonin and therefore can trigger the same receptors that serotonin does.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"mental frailty...they begin to question everything" As opposed to blindly "believe everything"? I would say the ability to question everything is evidence of a strong independent adult mind. The ability to just believe everything you are told isn't really "frail" (which I associate with old age and wisdom), but still weak in a childlike sense.
Questioning everything is also child-like. It's more of a normal adult quality to learn what lines of questioning prove fruitful and what do not.
tbh many of the adults i know have no ability to judge which lines of questioning are fruitful or not specifically because they're so "on rails" or "adultlike".
for them a fruitful question is defined as something along the current trajectory. but they never ask if they're on the right trajectory because that wouldn't be something on the current trajectory.
see the issue?
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It also takes a lot of commitment and time It's about half an hour a day, that's all you really need. True, if you can't spare half an hour, then you've got greater issues. The latter part of your argument I personally have never ever once experienced, nor have anyone I known experience it outside of the gym at high school. People grunt when exerting effort, everyone wears headphones anyway. And even then, you don't…
>It's about half an hour a day, that's all you really need. True, if you can't spare half an hour, then you've got greater issues. Unless you don't have a car, or live in a congested city, or live outside the city, in which case it can be half an hour of commuting time before you get your half hour of exercise. It's also ~$60 a month, which not everyone can spare. Your statement also assumes people aren't working two…
My statement also had a second part which you seemingly missed for the sake of your argument.
Calisthenics, or bodyweight, exercises are perfectly viable for becoming fit and require nothing than you being able to find a nice spot on a floor. If this hypothetical person is that strapped for time, then how do they even get any sleep? That's an even bigger issue than not being able to work out consistently.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It's about half an hour a day, that's all you really need. True, if you can't spare half an hour, then you've got greater issues. Unless you don't have a car, or live in a congested city, or live outside the city, in which case it can be half an hour of commuting time before you get your half hour of exercise. It's also ~$60 a month, which not everyone can spare. Your statement also assumes people aren't working two…
My statement also had a second part which you seemingly missed for the sake of your argument. Calisthenics, or bodyweight, exercises are perfectly viable for becoming fit and require nothing than you being able to find a nice spot on a floor. If this hypothetical person is that strapped for time, then how do they even get any sleep? That's an even bigger issue than not being able to work out consistently.
Sure mate, no, you're right. Everyone who can't find time to consistently exercise is just slovenly, and for that reason fuck 'em, they don't deserve mental health.
Re: Psychedelics could heal brain cells in people suffering from depression: study
#87But how can a drug company patent that?
That's exactly the problem big pharma has. They fear massive losses for their various anti-depressants. Revenues have been guaranteed up to now, as patients become dependent on them and have to take them for years. (With regards to depression for example, LSD often is a one-time application the effects of which last for months. Price tag: $10 max.)
So their strategy is:
a) eternal astro-turfing and fear mongering in forums such as this one.
b) developing new substances which may have similar effects to LSD etc. (even if less successful) and can be patented.
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#88I’m really worried about the subset of the population with preexisting mental disorders such as manic depressive disorder, schizophrenia, and depression who will suffer a psychotic break from the use of these substances. Maybe I’m wrong, but from what I’ve heard and read it seems like there’s no way to know what will happen until you try it. A certain percentage of the population goes to hell in the most literal sens…
As a person who has been to psychedelic hell, I can say a nice part about it is that it ends. Having people around you to help you assimilate complicated experiences is key. If you're on the edge of a manic episode, it can definitely be a catalyst, and I've seen difficult things come of it but sometimes difficult things are manifestations of things we need to deal with.
The benefits of responsible psychedelic usage greatly outweigh the risks. I haven't seen any evidence that permanent psychosis after psychedelic usage is statistically significant compared to psychosis in the general population. Honestly, riding your bike to work is more dangerous.
Something that's hard to quantify (because it's been illegal to study) is that people who use/abuse psychs before slipping into a permanent psychosis may have been on a manic upswing that led to the risky usage of the drugs. I've seen that happen to people in hypo mania with weed, alcohol, shopping, and the greatest offender and most predictable, cocaine. This can lead to PTSD and further self medication that can become a race condition that lasts a lifetime. The fear, shame, and personal loss can be crushing without the support to handle it.
Permanent psychosis or schizophrenia are so poorly defined. One of the hallmarks of schizophrenia is that it doesn't get better. So if you had an episode and they diagnose you then it does go away, well they guess you didn't have it. The more modern thinking is that schizophrenia doesn't exist[1]. There are so many factors that lead into an unmanageable mental state, not the least of which is our bizarre modern environment. IMO it's a miracle most of us are able to pass as sane well enough to keep the trains running on time.
I just don't buy the "don't do it, you might go crazy" though. But if you feel like it's not for you, it's probably not for you. Thoughtful enthusiasm is so important. Also knowing what you're taking and where it came from.
If you or someone you know struggles with mental illness coupled with drug use, there is real help for it and free resources. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and it's Dialectical[2] cousin are showing amazing results. SmartRecovery[3] is a fantastic free resource. With free daily online chat groups (audio, video, and text) as well as in person meetups all over the world.
[1] https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psych-unseen/201603/...
[2] http://www.millercounselingserv.com/uploads/9/0/5/1/90518949...
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The general consensus is Your consensus might be general among irresponsible psychonauts that are either lucky or accept psychosis. http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/28/why-were-early-psychede... The general consensus is to use psychedelics only as part of a therapy under supervision of a medical expert. https://www.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personalit... > an extremely small portion of the population h…
> Your consensus is only general among irresponsible psychonauts that were lucky enough in the past. You're using the words "irresponsible" and "lucky" here to trigger an emotional response that these kinds of risks are anything but rare, which simply isn't supported by any data. I "irresponsibly" crossed the street today. Am I "lucky" I wasn't run over by a bus? > The general consensus is to use psychedelics only as…
Crossing the street is dangerous but mostly under your control. Unlike a trip. Anyway the comparison is lame.
The comparison with an exercise program is lame too. Of course an unusual big effort or training load is bad and might harm you or kill you.
A bad diet like paleo or keto might lead to an early death as well.
The numbers show that many people are prone to mental issues or have them. Not a small percentage but a big percentage concerning many millions.
Even responsible psychonauts warn against psychedelics in the wrong setting. But you do not know in advance if you will have good or bad trip.
All noteworthy positive studies are published by medical experts.
All medical experts warn against the casual use of psychedelics. Psychedelics should be considered as medicine and not as easy harmless miracle drugs or party drugs.
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#90Lately, all this media attention to psychedelics reminds me of this Terence McKenna quote: "[W]hy this[psychedelics] is not four-inch headlines on every newspaper on the planet I cannot understand because I don’t know what news you were waiting for, but this is the news that I was waiting for. It’s an incredible challenge to human understanding to try and make sense of this." from https://www.asktmk.com/talks/Rap+Dan…
"[W]hy this[psychedelics] is not four-inch headlines on every newspaper on the planet"
Psychedelics might reveal to you that the neat little reality that you thought you had all figured out is a lot stranger and different from from what you thought it was, that your understanding of it might be all wrong, and that your place in it might not be all that cozy and secure. The experience could put everything in to question for you.
A lot of people feel threatened by that, so they try to push it away, lock it up, turn it off, or dismiss it.
Contrast that reaction to that in some other societies with a long tradition of psychedelic use. Psychedelic experiences there usually confirm the world view of the society, and tend to be very positive and accepted.