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What to Do When a Loved One Is Severely Depressed

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Re: What to Do When a Loved One Is Severely Depressed

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Except that its /rarely/ not in your control. I'm unable to find numbers, but I find it hard to believe that any significant amount of people's requests to leave are taken to court.

I think we have very different definitions of control. To me, having control over when I leave is being able to walk out of the building at any time. Full autonomy. Having to petition some entity is the antithesis of control from my point of view.

You don't petition anyone. Unless you were committed or attempted suicide, you get to sign yourself out. I've seen it happen.

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You are part of the problem - you're making it seem like some evil doctors tie you down. The reality is if you bring yourself to a hospital you just request to leave and . Doctors have the ability to petition the courts to keep you there. It goes to a US Court, not some evil medical doctor's back office. http://www.disabilityrightsohio.org/when-person-wants-releas... Even if you're forced to go a mental facility by f…

I mean, they literally can tie you down.

This is the kind of horror story I was preaching against. They don't do such things unless you become violent. This is not one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest.

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I would be thinking really fucking carefully about posting this. If a loved one has a specific plan to commit suicide you need to take that really fucking seriously. Death by cop is so much smaller than suicide rate in the US.

As a person who has been badly affected by the police and the health system because of suicidal thoughts, I think you should think “fucking seriously” before you give advise to people with suicidal thoughts. You may not like it, but the system utterly sucks and you can be easily, even casually, abused. In fact the likelihood is high this will happen. And the kicker? No one gives a damn if you do get abused, and if yo…

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It is unfortunate that stigma around mental illness causes most people to view psychiatric hospitals as places to avoid at all cost, as they have a stigma so terrible going to one is like dying multiple deaths. After that you're 'legally' crazy (whatever the fuck that means)! In fact, if you need one, if you are severely depressed or hallucinating, a hospital is exactly the place for you. You will most likely love it…

The quality of life, if you will, varies enormously in psychiatric hospitals. It may be extremely conducive to treatment and recovery in one and just this side of Bedlam in another. source: Personal experience helping member of wife's family who was hospitalized for disabling chronic refractory depression and intense suicidal ideation. This was about two years ago. One institution (in San Mateo County) was great, the…

This is good advice: go to the nicest hospital you can.

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I think the best talk I had from a therapist in the early aughts went, "In general, the only things we know that help with depression are: exercise, some sunlight, a little social interaction, and self-care; bathing, brushing your teeth, etc. Medicine can help some but results are inconsistent, talk therapy is rarely helpful." He spent two years just keeping me accountable on the little day to day things and while it…

I survived my deepest depression by showering and shaving every day. Then forcing myself to get dressed and go be with other people, even sitting in a coffee shop and feeling miserable, hiding it behind a smile and a book. Being home, alone, unshaven, unclean, in an unkept house made me feel worse because of all the things I saw that needed to be done, and the isolation allowing me to think about that and only that.…

Your comment rings so true for me. I have had nearly the same experience with depression, talk therapy, and ritualistic self-care.

> (I still suck at cleaning the shower often enough, and I never make my bed)

I stopped using the top/flat sheet, which means "making the bed" is as simple as fluffing the pillows and shaking your duvet/comforter/quilt out over the bed. The flat sheet is responsible for probably 95% of the effort in making a bed. Coming home to a made bed is nice.

Bonus: when you buy sheets in the future, you can invest the top sheet savings into a comfier bedspread.

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Do you know of something more effective for the same cost?

Cognitive Behavior Therapy is scientifically proven to work. Basically any CBT book on amazon on the subject, look for best sellers, read reviews - $3.99 plus $1.99 shipping is your cost. Another book, The Power of Now I personally recommend. Everything else you need is in the KJV.

KJV?

Has self-directed CBT actually been studied?

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I feel like this should be left here: Everybody you meet has a secret smile, and a secret pain. If your secret pain feels like a weight you can no longer carry, please talk to someone. Anyone. Lay down your burdens, and give your shoulders a rest. If you're in the US, there's the National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255 LGBT folks in the US might also consider The Trevor Project Lifeline: 1-866-488-7386 I…

If you're in the US, you may also wish to think twice before calling the cops on a loved one, particularly if they're only a danger to themselves (and not you or others). Police in the US rarely receive training[0] in dealing with suicidal individuals, and are instead trained to escalate the situation and or use violence for a resolution[1]. There are numerous examples of the police turning up on a suicide call and k…

Suicide by cop is not uncommon. Even if you're not seriously suicidal, just severely depressed, I suspect that it can be tempting. In my experience, I'm too ineffectual when severely depressed enough to consider suicide. But faced with someone with a gun, all it takes is threatening them. I recall relatively recent video of a young woman who was killed after she charged a cop. At the entrance of a university parking garage.

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Cognitive Behavior Therapy is scientifically proven to work. Basically any CBT book on amazon on the subject, look for best sellers, read reviews - $3.99 plus $1.99 shipping is your cost. Another book, The Power of Now I personally recommend. Everything else you need is in the KJV.

KJV? Has self-directed CBT actually been studied?

King James Version.

Re: What to Do When a Loved One Is Severely Depressed

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What I did is watch the 8 hour docuseries at www.brokenbrain.com and learn from 50 doctors what the various causes are and how to treat these caused. It did help me a lot to understand depression but my depressed son does not want to watch the docuseries. Sigh.

It's probably way more important that you watch and understand it than him.
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