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Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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"hahah, no worries, if you don't come maybe I'll just paint my nails or something"

You missed the joke.

I did too. Perhaps if emoji are such an ambiguous method of communication, they aren't so good after all?

That isn't an isolated instance of emoji confusion for me, either. Apart from the basic facial expression emoji, for me they're a great way of making a sentence more confusing.

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Its currently 2018. Going back to 2009 = 9 years

Right, but 10 if you're inclusive.

sorry, i'm still not understanding how that works. from WWDC '09 to WWDC '18, inclusive of '09 and '18, is 9 events.

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>> I'm just curious, what "courageous" changes would you like to see in macOS? Modern OpenGL? App store with useful apps?

Vulkan really along with OpenGL latest. The whole Metal thing was wrong headed - both iOS and macOS should have supported Vulkan. But that's nothing that affects me personally. What bugs me about macOS is how sloppy, buggy and limited it has become. Finder sucks big time. SMB doesn't work all too reliably. Wanna domain join - tough luck. (Even Linux distros are advanced in that area - Gnome 3 on Fedora allowed me to…

Finder sucks? At what specifically? And what about macOs has become limited as an OS?

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Right, but 10 if you're inclusive.

sorry, i'm still not understanding how that works. from WWDC '09 to WWDC '18, inclusive of '09 and '18, is 9 events.

It's not.

1. 2009

2. 2010

3. 2011

4. 2012

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10. 2018

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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So. The most important feature of this new release "designed for pros" that gets top placement on the announcement page is ... dark mode. The second is stacks. The third is the ports of iOS apps (including the long overdue Home). I find it very hard to be excited about a yet another "major" release that doesn't even qualify as a minor version bump.

It's not designed for pros. Linux is. Apple is about easy usage and they benefit hugely from having Linux underneath, which is why they even are considered by real pros. It looks nice and that's what people like.

For the longest time ever MacOS was the OS for professional print, professional graphic design, professional sound design and professional sound editing, professional video editing.

When MacOS moved to a BSD-based system, it won over a large portion of software development. Go to almost any IT conference, you'll see people with MacBooks running MacOS (some run *nixes on MacBooks because of hardware).

In the past 4 to 5 years though Apple has let MacOS more or less stagnate.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Why are you so intent on invalidating other people when they say that emoji help them communicate?

Am I not allowed to disagree with a statement that implies emojis are some groundbreaking form of communication? I never said the concept was not useful; I said that images provide nothing text cannot aside from aesthetics. Why are you people so defensive about this?

Because you have observed that emojis do not help you communicate, and then concluded that emojis cannot possibly help anyone communicate. There are lots of people in this thread who have mentioned concrete examples of emojis "providing something text cannot," and yet you refuse to accept it.

"This helps me communicate" is not a falsifiable claim. You're telling lots of people that they have somehow made a mistake in interpreting their own life experiences. You are not even considering the possibility that something is there, and you just can't see it.

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It's not doublespeak, it's very clear refutation to those who fear macOS fading away and being replaced by a locked down, ARM-powered iOS laptops, Apple machines turning into alternate version of Chromebooks. The message reads to me as "we're bringing the good things from iOS over to macOS, rather than abandoning macOS and replacing it with iOS".

They said: "Are you merging iOS and macOS?" "No." Then proceeded to detail the port of the iOS APIs to Mac and some apps just using those APIs. Time will tell, but I think a merge is exactly what they are planning long term, and it makes sense to do so (with some differences for user input and larger screens). It's crazy to develop very similar APIs for GUI apps in parallel, and what has become two different OSs with…

> It's crazy to develop very similar APIs for GUI apps in parallel, and what has become two different OSs with slightly different apps and feature sets, but a huge amount of overlap. The savings for Apple and developers of having a consistent set of new APIs and one set of apps to manage (for example their entire office suite) would be huge.

Right, and what the announcement seems to show is that UIKit could eventually grow to replace AppKit. Like you yourself say - "uikit is a better appkit written with the benefit of experience".

That still doesn't imply the two OS would necessarily be merged - there's still a ton of things that make sense for macOS that are not needed in iOS, and vice versa - just for one thing, they have vastly different energy budgets. There's also a ton of overlap and shared code already, for pieces that it does make sense to share.

So, I still think the answer is really targeted at people who fear that iOS (with all of its current limitations) will replace macOS, essentially, rather than being a misdirection as you seem to find it?

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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I would imagine that ASL speakers have usage patterns that they would like to express via text messaging without simply “translating” them into formal written English. That’s no different than why English speakers use emoji (“” instead of “I am happy”) or informal onomatopoeia (“uggh” instead of “I am annoyed”).

I love (sarcastically) how Hacker News has no support for emoji. What year is it?

Yeah, I noticed that after submitting my comment, but I figured I’d leave it there for the irony.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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High Sierra didn't have much notable or interesting either, and it proved to be the least stable release in a while by a damn sight. Lately it seems like Apple has downshifted in competence all-around (at least on the Mac). I'll believe evidence to the contrary when I see it — not sooner. I know that makes me seem like an HN Apple hater. And it pains me to say that. I've been a Mac fan since the mid-90s. I've tried t…

I would not consider a brand new file system to not be notable. Maybe for average consumers it wouldn't matter much, but for us, we probably should appreciate how big an endeavour a new file system is.

It was notable when it nuked my install drive on update and I had to restore from backup ;) That was a first for me with an Apple OS.
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