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Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by grey-area »

aeontech wrote: post #526
grey-area wrote: post #266

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I agree, and frankly it’s been obvious since its inception that uikit is a better appkit written with the benefit of experience - more limited at present but suitable for all devices. They should have started this years ago and have a unified platform with tweaks for different UI. Bizarre doublespeak in the presentation though as they denied this was the plan - explicitly said no merger.

It's not doublespeak, it's very clear refutation to those who fear macOS fading away and being replaced by a locked down, ARM-powered iOS laptops, Apple machines turning into alternate version of Chromebooks. The message reads to me as "we're bringing the good things from iOS over to macOS, rather than abandoning macOS and replacing it with iOS".

They said:

"Are you merging iOS and macOS?" "No."

Then proceeded to detail the port of the iOS APIs to Mac and some apps just using those APIs.

Time will tell, but I think a merge is exactly what they are planning long term, and it makes sense to do so (with some differences for user input and larger screens). It's crazy to develop very similar APIs for GUI apps in parallel, and what has become two different OSs with slightly different apps and feature sets, but a huge amount of overlap. The savings for Apple and developers of having a consistent set of new APIs and one set of apps to manage (for example their entire office suite) would be huge.

The sheer pressure of money and users on the iOS side means that will be the dominant one, and UIKit will win.

Re lockdown, that's more a political decision than a technical one, it could go either way, I suspect both platforms will become gradually more and more similar (they already are converging) and the future will be close to the one you fear, with at the very least some ARM powered locked down laptops (which I'd be very happy with).

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by tfcata »

nicky0 wrote: post #562
tfcata wrote: post #556

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It looks like dark mode is not a global option like on Linux, but rather needs to be adopted by individual apps. That means when opening old apps at 2AM, my eyes are really gonna be hurt..

Perhaps try sleeping at 2AM.

Maybe try telling that to every user?

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

pkamb wrote: post #201

Microsoft Office, Panic, Bare Bones Software, etc. are moving (or moving back ) to the Mac App Store. I'm very curious why. Are there changes to Sandboxing? For all developers, or only select partners? Or changes to the revenue split?

Yes, I wondered if they are getting a special deal.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by antirez »

PakG1 wrote: post #486

The complaints here about how the new macOS does not have anything exciting or interesting is weird. I thought the best thing about the new macOS (and iOS) is that it's supposed to be Apple focusing on stability, rather than new features. Given all the bad things that have happened with macOS in the past year, I thought this was going to be appreciated. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software...

The side story could be different: very low effort on MacOS -> No much new features -> No much work to stability issues.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by hellofunk »

thdoeunt34stnoe wrote: post #405
hellofunk wrote: post #379

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OpenGL is a real-time graphics API, not an offline render system used by renderfarms. I have never heard of movies or special effects rendered in OpenGL. The first major renderer was Renderman, the only game in town for years, and it has nothing to do with OpenGL.

You are correct. However, many in-studio tools are written in OpenGL. These tools are used to model objects and layout lighting, scenes, etc. by artists. They are written in OpenGL, usually on Linux. (Source: I work with several people who formerly built these tools for well-known studios like DreamWorks and Sony.)

Of course, but that’s not what we are discussing. The context for my comment was regarding offline rendering and render farms.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by Ndymium »

SCdF wrote: post #578
dogweather wrote: post #519

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I take Apple at their word. If they don't claim to have focussed on stability in this release, then I won't assume that they did.

I don't think they'd ever admit to focussing on stability because that would imply the OS isn't already stable.

But that's exactly how they marketed Snow Leopard (macOS 10.6). They even said it would have "no new features", instead focusing on making it faster and more reliable.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by gaius »

MitjaBezensek wrote: post #73
janlukacs wrote: post #14

WWDC 2018, from underwhelming to boring. I will lose my mind if i hear *oji one more time. Will they ever stop with this nonsense? Favicons in Safari? It took them 6 years for the browser to remember the zoom setting per site, now we have the luxury of having favicons.

It's amazing that so many bright minds are wasting time on *oji.

It's amazing that so many bright minds are wasting time on oji

At least it’s merely wasteful and not actually toxic. They could be working on more adtech.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by somethingwitty1 »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #511
martin1975 wrote: post #491

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Notch decreases function and is aesthetically displeasing. 3.5 mm = 1) there is no way a wireless medium will ever have better throughput than a wired medium over a superb DAC - ever, 2) dongle, 3) extra battery worry now for BT. OpenGL, I will grant you that one, since both Metal and/or Vulkan are a vast improvement on OpenGL.

> Notch decreases function I know that some people like to say this, but it's pretty clearly wrong, and it makes you look unobservant when you repeat it. It takes about five seconds and two phones to demonstrate this. The standard top section on every phone, Android and iOS alike, is a dedicated status section with little system icons with wide gaps of unused blank space between them. Every phone, every time. A notch…

It might benefit you to look at a 3rd phone. Because my top notification bar is always full. So no, they are not clearly wrong. Or better yet, maybe it just comes down to individual preference!? I personally never thought I'd see someone trying to justify the loss of screen space as a "win". But here we are. And also, the market is still out on it. Until the majority of phones are doing a notch, the market hasn't spoken. Apple hasn't been the leader in smartphone sales in many years now. They aren't even #2 anymore.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by SCdF »

Ndymium wrote: post #587
SCdF wrote: post #578

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I don't think they'd ever admit to focussing on stability because that would imply the OS isn't already stable.

But that's exactly how they marketed Snow Leopard (macOS 10.6). They even said it would have "no new features", instead focusing on making it faster and more reliable.

Fair enough, Snow Leopard marketing was before my time noticing Apple's existence. I've just noticed that in general they never admit that they've done anything wrong or made any mistakes, and it seems hard to market a release for stability without somehow admitting to existing mistakes.
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