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Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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macintux wrote: post #477
EpicEng wrote: post #462

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> The fact that they’re wildly popular should provide some indication that the qualities exist. Really? Pet rocks were wildly popular. Unhealthy foods are wildly popular. Cocaine is wildly popular (well maybe that's a stretch). I think there's a correlation problem here. However, I think you're missing the point again; _what can I convey via an emoji that I cannot convey in ascii_? I have yet to see a single example,…

Pet rocks were popular for 5 minutes. Unhealthy foods are perpetually popular because they have the quality of tasting wonderful. And neither of you tried to address the core argument I made in the parent, that emoji reflect the inherent messiness of personal communications and for that matter personal relationships. The same reason it’s important (but inefficient) to tell someone you love them in nonverbal ways is t…

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Post by exikyut »

vortico wrote: post #348
0x0 wrote: post #33

Wow, they are DEPRECATING OpenGL from both macOS and iOS: https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/ This is in addition to last year's announcement that "macOS High Sierra is the last version of macOS to run 32bit apps without compromise " I wonder if we will soon see a new lineage of Macbooks fitted with Apple-specific arm64 chips. The most scary thought is if UIKit-on-macOS starts requiring Developer ID entitlem…

Nice marketing campaign here a couple years ago. https://developer.apple.com/opencl/ Make up your fucking minds. Developers aren't hamsters. I now declare MacOS to be deprecated, if that's how it's going to be.

Oh this is hilarious.

You could put money on how long this page gets forgotten and left up.

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Post by spunker540 »

greggman wrote: post #499
PakG1 wrote: post #486

The complaints here about how the new macOS does not have anything exciting or interesting is weird. I thought the best thing about the new macOS (and iOS) is that it's supposed to be Apple focusing on stability, rather than new features. Given all the bad things that have happened with macOS in the past year, I thought this was going to be appreciated. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software...

did they announce all the fixes? if not then I'd assume that's why people aren't focusing on them. I too would appreciate stability and fixes. I know they are listed in the notes for each release. Still if that really was the focus that needs to be communicated note I didn't watch the announcements so if they did emphasize that great!

I think no matter what the focus is, they’re never gonna spend time during highly publicized events highlighting bugs in previous versions that they’ve fixed!

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Post by PakG1 »

shyy wrote: post #516
PakG1 wrote: post #486

The complaints here about how the new macOS does not have anything exciting or interesting is weird. I thought the best thing about the new macOS (and iOS) is that it's supposed to be Apple focusing on stability, rather than new features. Given all the bad things that have happened with macOS in the past year, I thought this was going to be appreciated. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software...

High Sierra didn't have much notable or interesting either, and it proved to be the least stable release in a while by a damn sight. Lately it seems like Apple has downshifted in competence all-around (at least on the Mac). I'll believe evidence to the contrary when I see it — not sooner. I know that makes me seem like an HN Apple hater. And it pains me to say that. I've been a Mac fan since the mid-90s. I've tried t…

I would not consider a brand new file system to not be notable. Maybe for average consumers it wouldn't matter much, but for us, we probably should appreciate how big an endeavour a new file system is.

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Post by spunker540 »

MitjaBezensek wrote: post #73
janlukacs wrote: post #14

WWDC 2018, from underwhelming to boring. I will lose my mind if i hear *oji one more time. Will they ever stop with this nonsense? Favicons in Safari? It took them 6 years for the browser to remember the zoom setting per site, now we have the luxury of having favicons.

It's amazing that so many bright minds are wasting time on *oji.

It’s amazing that even more bright minds are wasting time on ads.

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Post by aeontech »

grey-area wrote: post #266
tabs_masterrace wrote: post #237

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This is a good thing. While very similar, UIKit blows AppKit away in terms of API usability and design. Also, I think it's perfectly fine to write macOS apps using UIKit, would be similar to making iPad apps. It needs a few Desktop/Mouse related adjustments but Apple is probably going to be smart about that. Definitely not gonna be like what happened with Windows Metro apps

I agree, and frankly it’s been obvious since its inception that uikit is a better appkit written with the benefit of experience - more limited at present but suitable for all devices. They should have started this years ago and have a unified platform with tweaks for different UI. Bizarre doublespeak in the presentation though as they denied this was the plan - explicitly said no merger.

It's not doublespeak, it's very clear refutation to those who fear macOS fading away and being replaced by a locked down, ARM-powered iOS laptops, Apple machines turning into alternate version of Chromebooks. The message reads to me as "we're bringing the good things from iOS over to macOS, rather than abandoning macOS and replacing it with iOS".

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Post by paulcole »

EpicEng wrote: post #457
paulcole wrote: post #165

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Yeah I agree. Why would anyone prefer something that looked nicer than an old thing? Has anything like this phenomenon ever been observed in the past?

Ok well here's what I actually said. It's right up there if you want to take another look. > At best they're just prettier versions of :) and :( and I don't see how they allow people to convey ideas they couldn't do just as well via text. Never did I say "These are dumb get off my lawn!" I said they don't meaningfully impact or improve communication, which is in direct response to the person I replied to who said tha…

> The debate is not "are pretty things nice"

If the debate is not about how something looks then why was your first instinct to dismiss them as “just prettier versions of :) and :(“?

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Post by pfranz »

hellofunk wrote: post #374
pjmlp wrote: post #291

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No, because contrary to HN beliefs about 3D APIs, in the real world most business already added Metal backends to their rendering engines.

Exactly. Not sure why everyone thinks their favorite Mac apps are using OpenGL anyway. They probably moved to Metal a long time ago — it is much better.

I'm sure everyone's favorite /exclusive/ Mac apps are probably using Metal.

I'm guessing you haven't used apps like Maya, Nuke, or Houdini. They were all written in the mid-90's on IRIX machines and later ported to Linux, Windows, and OSX. Surprisingly, 3d performance isn't always big goal of their's. My guess is the core features don't sell new versions, so even though they have annual releases those things don't get much attention. They'll have drawing issues and transparency sorting problems for years. Same with audio bugs.

Their Mac support was spotty and irregular until the past 5-10 years.

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Post by Froyoh »

janlukacs wrote: post #14

WWDC 2018, from underwhelming to boring. I will lose my mind if i hear *oji one more time. Will they ever stop with this nonsense? Favicons in Safari? It took them 6 years for the browser to remember the zoom setting per site, now we have the luxury of having favicons.

chill dude there's 4 more days left.

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Post by pryce »

brothercolor wrote: post #353
jcfrei wrote: post #97

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Always interesting to see the divergence between HN and what the average user cares about. For most people emojis (and animojis) have opened a whole new way to communicate with each other. I can't think of another linguistic feature in history which saw such widespread use within a decade and I feel like emojis don't get enough credit for that.

Agreed -- as a Deaf person who uses visual languages to communicate, it's allowed me to actually begin to express myself using a set of pseudo-language visual elements. Some of them roughly map over to ASL expressions; I am looking forward to when they add ASL-specific emoji, or ASL language support, or even hands in the new animoji.

That's.. actually pretty extraordinary. In my cynicism I had imagined the only possible motivation for positioning new emoji as flagship features of their iOS iterations was a blatant attempt to lure pre-teens into a long (and lucrative) journey into Apple's ecosystem. I think perhaps I should take a few steps back and absorb the idea that:

1. people communicate in many different ways and

2. these things aren't valueless just because I don't picture myself using them. And in retrospect, I only struggle to picture myself authoring one; receiving them is completely fine.

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