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Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by gm-conspiracy »

MisterTea wrote: post #121
TeMPOraL wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the next stage of the economy - now that we've created products for almost all daily needs, it's time to turn them into services. sigh . I'm with you and 'adrianN on this. I hate this direction and wish we could turn it back somewhat, or at least cover for the negative aspects of servicization of products. Regulation might be a necessary tool for that.

It's starting to become maddening when you look around you and realize that in a few short years everything is shifting to SaaS. The part that really bothers me is it feels degrading in the sense that you are not allowed to control your own property anymore. This is when technology becomes oppressive.

The hegemony is coming. There will be a not insignificant portion that is unwilling to embrace this.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by craftyguy »

arghwhat wrote: post #128
robrenaud wrote: post #36

This is a bunch of PR nonsense. > When asked why Tesla has an apparent policy requiring drivers who want their own data to file for a subpoena, a spokesperson framed it as a privacy issue. > “We handle all customer data in accordance with our Owner’s Manual and privacy policy, which clearly outlines the type of data we collect and the lengths that we go to protect a customers’ privacy in the process,” Tesla said via…

Ah, how wonderful that the GDPR is now in place, making this as easy as issuing a subject access request.

Only if you are in the EU. Many Tesla drivers aren't.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by ovao »

vinceguidry wrote: post #55
ovao wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will Mercedes Benz release your collected crash data to you?

Doesn't matter. They have an established history and have been making cars for almost a hundred years. I drive a Mazda now. If it's looking like drive-by-wire technology is too dangerous, I'll just keep driving that and hope my cruise control doesn't decide to cause an accident.

I don't quite follow the logic that it doesn't matter. If the reason for someone not to buy a Tesla is because they do (A), why is the alternative to buy from another manufacturer that also does (A)?

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by bearcobra »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #110

What's the deal with the recent flood of anti-Tesla news? Does someone want to buy Tesla stock, or is Tesla just no longer cool?

I feel like it's the natural flow of reporting. Tesla spent a long time releasing exciting products and getting positive press coverage because of that. As that exposure increased, interest in them as an organization, as well as the amount of information & sources available also increased. With that increased exposure, it's almost inevitable that it would lead to problems being uncovered.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by gameswithgo »

craftyguy wrote: post #132
arghwhat wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, how wonderful that the GDPR is now in place, making this as easy as issuing a subject access request.

Only if you are in the EU. Many Tesla drivers aren't.

just drive over to the EU. Is there a supercharge in the atlantic yet?

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by gm-conspiracy »

slededit wrote: post #119
gcheong wrote: post #59

Just a point of clarification as I was confused reading the description. The $1000 to access data isn't on an event by event basis. It's for the cables to connect to the EDR so presumably once you have them you can access all the data in the EDR at any time. http://www.crashdatagroup.com/tesla-edr-kit/

They can get the data remotely from a smashed car on the side of the road to slander the driver. But somehow if you want it, a $1000 cable is totally necessary.

Is it really that difficult to use a hacked femtocell and MitM the Tesla's telemetrics?

And remember this story:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/03/man-hacks-tesla-firmwar...

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by vinceguidry »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #71
vinceguidry wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how Tesla's refusal to release data is a public policy issue and that legislation is required to fix that state of affairs. They could, you know, just release the data. Then the onus is on the rest of the industry. More to the point, Tesla's wish to be seen as a market disrupter is only going to hold as much water for me as their willingness to do it when it counts . This is one of those "when it counts…

If they don't release the data, and other automakers don't release the data, it's industry standard behavior. The onus is on you, the consumer, to ask for regulation to fix the behavior if you want it fixed; not complain specifically about Tesla's behavior.

This sounds like the position of a diehard believer. Jesus never asked anyone to go to the cross with him. Putting the onus on me is like asking me to fix Rome so they don't have to execute him.

No, it was the act of going to the cross that made it possible for Rome to not crucify Christians in the future. Or for you non-Christians, an act of symbolism through self-sacrifice. If Tesla wants to be Jesus, it's going to have to get up on the cross. Otherwise nothing changes.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by pnutjam »

vkou wrote: post #123
ASalazarMX wrote: post #110

What's the deal with the recent flood of anti-Tesla news? Does someone want to buy Tesla stock, or is Tesla just no longer cool?

It could be that reality is catching up to their anti-user practices.

Elon's reality distortion bubble is failing.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by gameswithgo »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #110

What's the deal with the recent flood of anti-Tesla news? Does someone want to buy Tesla stock, or is Tesla just no longer cool?

well Elon went an an anti-news tirade on twitter a few days back, that probably accelerated things a bit.

but Model 3 pricing still being higher than promised, and not being produced fast enough, and Model S running into things while on autopilot was also helping before that.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #110

What's the deal with the recent flood of anti-Tesla news? Does someone want to buy Tesla stock, or is Tesla just no longer cool?

> What's the deal with the recent flood of anti-Tesla news?

At the end of March Tesla had $2.6bn of cash on its balance sheet [1]. Against that they have (a) $1.8bn of current debt (i.e. due within one year), $1.2bn of which is recourse (page 24) and (b) between investments and operations a cash burn of $1.1bn in Q1.

Tesla needs to raise new capital. That is as obvious to investors as it is to bankers. So the latter are getting ready. I've received a call every week for the past months from Morgan Blergh or Goldman Go-away sounding me out for exotic hybrid debt products. After those calls, I dutifully searched for and read a few articles. Publishers saw the views. So we get this.

From a utilitarian perspective, the financial press is informing investors about something they will need to dig into soon. From a stupid perspective, we have the bandwagon.

[1] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000156459018... page 4

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