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Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by netsharc »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #71
vinceguidry wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how Tesla's refusal to release data is a public policy issue and that legislation is required to fix that state of affairs. They could, you know, just release the data. Then the onus is on the rest of the industry. More to the point, Tesla's wish to be seen as a market disrupter is only going to hold as much water for me as their willingness to do it when it counts . This is one of those "when it counts…

If they don't release the data, and other automakers don't release the data, it's industry standard behavior. The onus is on you, the consumer, to ask for regulation to fix the behavior if you want it fixed; not complain specifically about Tesla's behavior.

"We will be disruptive when we can seem to be more consumer-friendly unless it makes us look bad, at that point we'll just say 'that's the industry standard, sorry you're SOL!'".

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by tjoff »

danso wrote: post #89
yumraj wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can a Tesla owner comment it they signed some sort of T&C related to this data? I wonder can Tesla be sued for revealing this data without owners' consent.

Tesla's privacy policy is worded to allow these kinds of disclosures: https://www.tesla.com/about/legal > Tesla may transfer and disclose information, including information that may or may not personally identify you, to third parties to comply with a legal obligation (including, but not limited to, subpoenas);...to verify or enforce our policies and procedures;...to prevent or stop activity we may consider to be, or…

Is that even valid? They obviously can write anything they want but that doesn't make it right or legal.

Is only the owner allowed to drive a Tesla? Do any other drivers have to sign a document on the dashboard before starting?

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

#103

Post by cblades »

kofejnik wrote: post #93
jimmaswell wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no real justification for anyone having that right. The device manufacturer/website owner/etc does the work of creating the data, yet you think it's yours?

No, it's my device that creates the data, so it is mine. Otherwise, does the typewriter manufacturer own the stories you type?

I don't think that analogy holds up. Maybe: does the typewriter manufacturer own meta data such as letter frequency, average work length, etc that their product calculates based on your usage?

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

#104

Post by [deleted] »

vinceguidry wrote: post #55
ovao wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will Mercedes Benz release your collected crash data to you?

Doesn't matter. They have an established history and have been making cars for almost a hundred years. I drive a Mazda now. If it's looking like drive-by-wire technology is too dangerous, I'll just keep driving that and hope my cruise control doesn't decide to cause an accident.

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Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

#105

Post by toomuchtodo »

netsharc wrote: post #101
toomuchtodo wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they don't release the data, and other automakers don't release the data, it's industry standard behavior. The onus is on you, the consumer, to ask for regulation to fix the behavior if you want it fixed; not complain specifically about Tesla's behavior.

"We will be disruptive when we can seem to be more consumer-friendly unless it makes us look bad, at that point we'll just say 'that's the industry standard, sorry you're SOL!'".

Can't help unrealistic expectations. If you don't like the policy, don't buy the car.

I mean, it's a bit silly, no? Everyone complaining in this thread while Tesla churns out thousands of vehicles a week to a backlog of consumers willing to wait at least another year for their vehicle. To you, it might be an issue. To those who matter (Tesla investors, employees, and customers), it isn't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The market has spoken.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by danso »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #71
vinceguidry wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how Tesla's refusal to release data is a public policy issue and that legislation is required to fix that state of affairs. They could, you know, just release the data. Then the onus is on the rest of the industry. More to the point, Tesla's wish to be seen as a market disrupter is only going to hold as much water for me as their willingness to do it when it counts . This is one of those "when it counts…

If they don't release the data, and other automakers don't release the data, it's industry standard behavior. The onus is on you, the consumer, to ask for regulation to fix the behavior if you want it fixed; not complain specifically about Tesla's behavior.

But what is not "industry standard", as far as I can tell, is to release user data without permission in press releases.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

#108

Post by Skye »

kofejnik wrote: post #96
FireBeyond wrote: post #63

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I think they would view that as destruction of evidence. The next step in your scenario is "that security camera has data on me, I want it deleted".

I believe GDPR does cover the security camera scenario, there was a comment here about a week ago from someone who successfully petitioned the German police to delete all footage of him at some protest

https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/cctv/ at least in the UK, you can request people who have CCTV footage of you, and also note that people have to delete CCTV when they no longer need it (how long that should be is arguable), so people have to delete CCTV without being prompted to. and this is not new with the GDPR, it's from the old law, from 1998, I think.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by cynix »

ovao wrote: post #52
vinceguidry wrote: post #32

Oh boy, I was so excited to get a Tesla when the time finally came, but if they're still pulling this crap when that happens, guess I'm getting a Benz instead.

Will Mercedes Benz release your collected crash data to you?

If every Mercedes Benz crash makes national news and the media tries to blame the car for the crash rather than the driver, you bet they will.
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