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Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by toomuchtodo »

vinceguidry wrote: post #49
toomuchtodo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to get the data out of your GM or Ford airbag flash storage device (any vehicle with a data logger paired to the airbag subsystem, which is most cars on the road) and see how similar the process is. More “journalistic” nonsense. I agree they have a lot of legitimate issues (cash flow, scaling, retention, working conditions, process maturity, overpromising) to deal with, but can’t journalists focus on those instea…

Tesla's a new company, either they're holding themselves to a higher standard than the establishment or they aren't. If they're not then I'm going with the establishment. I can overlook a great great great many things in service of the cause of disrupting the auto industry. But this? Asking me to take personal responsibility with no legal recourse? This is the line they can't ask me to cross. If this is fake news, fi…

That’s for each consumer to decide of course. I bought my Model S fully knowing what I was getting into.

I consider them holding themselves to a higher standard, but as in politics, you can’t find someone who agrees with you 100% in office. Have to compromise, and this isn’t a hill I care to die on.

As I stated above, it’s a public policy issue, not Tesla specific.

> if you take issue with this, sponsor a federal law to fix the problem through your legislator

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by yumraj »

adrianN wrote: post #2

Can we make a law that all data collected by devices that I bought belongs to me? Yes, that includes everything the websites I visit send back to the mothership.

I'd like to go one step further and want the power to delete it, or be deleted, when I want.

If I'm allowed to take the 5th to not incriminate myself and not reveal my memory (data in my head), I should be similarly allowed to delete my data when it is my data in my device.

It'd be an interesting case to take to the Supreme Court.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by yumraj »

pwagland wrote: post #39

So this is something that has always kind of bugged me about Tesla. If you have an accident, they are more than happy to drop the crash data "proving" that you were at fault, look at the recent stories about running into a road barrier and the back of a firetruck for recent examples of this. And, of course, they don't ask you first if they can release it. However, if you want the data, you can't have it… you have to…

Can a Tesla owner comment it they signed some sort of T&C related to this data? I wonder can Tesla be sued for revealing this data without owners' consent.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by vinceguidry »

ovao wrote: post #52
vinceguidry wrote: post #32

Oh boy, I was so excited to get a Tesla when the time finally came, but if they're still pulling this crap when that happens, guess I'm getting a Benz instead.

Will Mercedes Benz release your collected crash data to you?

Doesn't matter. They have an established history and have been making cars for almost a hundred years. I drive a Mazda now. If it's looking like drive-by-wire technology is too dangerous, I'll just keep driving that and hope my cruise control doesn't decide to cause an accident.

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by pseudometa »

danso wrote: post #35
pseudometa wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doing it perhaps for the click-bait karma? Edit: I'm one of those people that believe in what Elon is doing and while I don't consider myself a fan-boy, I get plenty frustrated by all of the biased negativity I somehow feel the need to inject some balance by saying something. That may come across as only ever defending, but the amount of negative fluff articles is astonishing.

OK, you've accused me of submitting "click-bait karma" and "negative fluff articles". Care to elaborate on why you think the article under discussion is not legitimate?

It singles out Tesla and provides no broader context. Specifically there is no mention of the policies of other car companies. It is like saying that Kumo tires have been in 5 million car accidents. Sounds bad for Kumo, but there is no context to other types of tires. Will BMW or Lexus provide vehicle data after a crash? Will Google provide Android Auto data upon request?

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by gcheong »

Just a point of clarification as I was confused reading the description. The $1000 to access data isn't on an event by event basis. It's for the cables to connect to the EDR so presumably once you have them you can access all the data in the EDR at any time. http://www.crashdatagroup.com/tesla-edr-kit/

Re: Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

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Post by macintux »

noer wrote: post #24
teddyh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When computers were new, IBM would not sell computers to customers, but rent them out. Since most people nowadays seem to pay for cell phones, tablets, etc. in monthly installments and “need” to get a new model as soon as the one they have is fully paid off, I’m sure a jump to leasing/renting devices is a very small one in practice.

You already are renting/paying a monthly use license fee if you "buy" a phone from your carrier with a monthly payment and the ability to upgrade after x months. I did this by accident when I "bought" an iPhone a few years ago and was told I couldn't keep it after I water damaged it and got a replacement. I started buying devices outright after that.

Landline telephones used to operate similarly, before the massive AT&T breakup. Time is a wheel.
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