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Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by teekert »

brodsky wrote: post #224
teekert wrote: post #164

Hmm I just put 16 GB ram, an SSD, and a new battery in my early 2011 mbp, also bought a new charger. The thing flies but it seems High Sierra will be my last MacOS version.

That's what I said to myself some time ago about Snow Leopart, and more recently - El Capitan, but unfortunately one eventually needs to bite the bullet and stay current with security patches and 3rd-party app support. I begrudgingly went to High Sierra, though it provides no added value to me whatsoever (and even breaks a few things). I'd like to say that I won't be getting another Mac in the future, though I can't…

I run Linux on my personal laptop and server as well but my wife needs some Adobe tools unfortunately. Well I guess I'll just sit it out until security updates don't come anymore. Anyway, I think this was also my last Mac for these reasons:

* I hate it that I can't open them up anymore

* That butterfly keyboard

* it got even more expensive (for a 15") (What we got back (the touchbar) has no added value for me)

* Windows can run Adobe tools and now has a subsystem for Linux.

* The Dell XPS line approaches MacBook quality pretty well and can be opened and is well supported under Linux should Adobe start to support it (hey, we are talking something like 2023 here, one can hope an Adobe Snap will be available by then, I think Adobe would rather like the Linux ecosystem.)

As said, I'm still very happy with a 7 y/o mbp because I upgraded it step wise. Though to be honest, I feel computer land stagnates a bit now that we finally found a solution for the hdd bottleneck, still there is little to fix yourself if anything gives out.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by jay_kyburz »

aerotwelve wrote: post #520
jdietrich wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean this to sound in any way cruel or judgemental, but a very large proportion of the population have very limited literacy skills. Emoji are useful for all users who are writing short, personal messages that might be ambiguous in tone. They are extremely useful for people who would otherwise struggle to express or understand tone and emotion using the written word. In the last National Assessment of Adult L…

What's the proper set of answer about the Dickenson passage? Does any interpretation count as correct? (I know this thread isn't about the methodology of literacy assessment, but now I'm really curious to know how they do it. Does publicly available question-level response data exist somewhere out there? from previous years?)

Yeah, I'm interested as well.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by some_account »

PakG1 wrote: post #486

The complaints here about how the new macOS does not have anything exciting or interesting is weird. I thought the best thing about the new macOS (and iOS) is that it's supposed to be Apple focusing on stability, rather than new features. Given all the bad things that have happened with macOS in the past year, I thought this was going to be appreciated. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software...

Maybe because it doesn't actually mean anything. It's like those random numbers they pull out... 40% faster app starts etc... In practice, you won't even think about it in real usage. They take some part of upstart procedure and load it afterwards in the background so it seems the app is faster. It's smoke and mirrors.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by some_account »

dmitriid wrote: post #539
PakG1 wrote: post #486

The complaints here about how the new macOS does not have anything exciting or interesting is weird. I thought the best thing about the new macOS (and iOS) is that it's supposed to be Apple focusing on stability, rather than new features. Given all the bad things that have happened with macOS in the past year, I thought this was going to be appreciated. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software...

So. The most important feature of this new release "designed for pros" that gets top placement on the announcement page is ... dark mode. The second is stacks. The third is the ports of iOS apps (including the long overdue Home). I find it very hard to be excited about a yet another "major" release that doesn't even qualify as a minor version bump.

It's not designed for pros. Linux is. Apple is about easy usage and they benefit hugely from having Linux underneath, which is why they even are considered by real pros. It looks nice and that's what people like.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by tfcata »

dmitriid wrote: post #539
PakG1 wrote: post #486

The complaints here about how the new macOS does not have anything exciting or interesting is weird. I thought the best thing about the new macOS (and iOS) is that it's supposed to be Apple focusing on stability, rather than new features. Given all the bad things that have happened with macOS in the past year, I thought this was going to be appreciated. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software...

So. The most important feature of this new release "designed for pros" that gets top placement on the announcement page is ... dark mode. The second is stacks. The third is the ports of iOS apps (including the long overdue Home). I find it very hard to be excited about a yet another "major" release that doesn't even qualify as a minor version bump.

It looks like dark mode is not a global option like on Linux, but rather needs to be adopted by individual apps. That means when opening old apps at 2AM, my eyes are really gonna be hurt..

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by microtonal »

some_account wrote: post #555
dmitriid wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So. The most important feature of this new release "designed for pros" that gets top placement on the announcement page is ... dark mode. The second is stacks. The third is the ports of iOS apps (including the long overdue Home). I find it very hard to be excited about a yet another "major" release that doesn't even qualify as a minor version bump.

It's not designed for pros. Linux is. Apple is about easy usage and they benefit hugely from having Linux underneath, which is why they even are considered by real pros. It looks nice and that's what people like.

Their definition of 'Pro' stretches much wider than developers. Traditionally, their Pro Apps were Aperture (raw editing), Logic (audio workstation) and Final Cut (video editing). Of course, the Adobe suite fits that moniker as well. For most people doing video/audio/photo editing, macOS and Windows are the primary choices (though you can obviously do this on Linux as well).

Note: macOS is not using Linux underneath. It uses the XNU kernel, which is based on Mach and BSD.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by EpicEng »

blt wrote: post #473
EpicEng wrote: post #454

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> Let me put it another way: what’s the point of these newfangled moving pictures when we already have books? Yeah, figured that would be trotted out at some point. That's a fine sounding argument, but do you really feel emoji's are on the same level as the advent of video? I don't believe you do. At some point you have to take a look at the specific thing you're talking about and get down out of the clouds. I have y…

Why are you so intent on invalidating other people when they say that emoji help them communicate?

Am I not allowed to disagree with a statement that implies emojis are some groundbreaking form of communication? I never said the concept was not useful; I said that images provide nothing text cannot aside from aesthetics. Why are you people so defensive about this?

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by EpicEng »

macintux wrote: post #477
EpicEng wrote: post #462

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> The fact that they’re wildly popular should provide some indication that the qualities exist. Really? Pet rocks were wildly popular. Unhealthy foods are wildly popular. Cocaine is wildly popular (well maybe that's a stretch). I think there's a correlation problem here. However, I think you're missing the point again; _what can I convey via an emoji that I cannot convey in ascii_? I have yet to see a single example,…

Pet rocks were popular for 5 minutes. Unhealthy foods are perpetually popular because they have the quality of tasting wonderful. And neither of you tried to address the core argument I made in the parent, that emoji reflect the inherent messiness of personal communications and for that matter personal relationships. The same reason it’s important (but inefficient) to tell someone you love them in nonverbal ways is t…

>And neither of you tried to address the core argument I made in the parent, that emoji reflect the inherent messiness of personal communications and for that matter personal relationships

And exactly zero people, including yourself, have been able to provide a single gle example where text fails to convey what an icon can. And, you, that was the entire subject of this discussion if you haven't noticed.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by EpicEng »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #475
EpicEng wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it might signal criticism or a desire to party I'd like to see examples of both of these. Specifically how the T-Rex plays a role because, if you take the T-Rex out, we're back to something I can easily convey in ascii.

> if you take the T-Rex out, we're back to something I can easily convey in ascii May I ask if you read fiction in more than one language? There are constructions even in those close to English which I find impossible to accurately translate in a way that preserves the delight of the interaction between their phrasing and underlying meaning. For T-Rex, two examples: "I drank too much at the Christmas party. Not as mu…

>"I drank too much at the Christmas party.

>Not as much as Bob. He puked in the restaurant sink before appetizers were served.

>[Dancing eye-rolling T-Rex]"

Ummmm... Points for trying I guess? You lost me at "person who drank too much == T-Rex"

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