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Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by edanm »

dorfsmay wrote: post #108
baldfat wrote: post #26

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I really can't think of a better large tech company to buy GitHub (Which has been closed sourced since creation and I don't know why people are so scared). Now Oracle would make me put on my tin foil hat on immediately and deleting of my account.

Because people with closed source, the paying customers, now have to trust their potential biggest competitor with their source code ‽

This is not a concern that many real people have, just people on HN.

In the real world, people trust companies and context contracts with companyies to protect them. Eg all the people using clouds like azure.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by mandeepj »

krrrh wrote: post #546
mandeepj wrote: post #301

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Answers are here for you - https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github... I'm posting them here for easy ref - 1. "Second, we will accelerate enterprise developers’ use of GitHub, with our direct sales and partner channels and access to Microsoft’s global cloud infrastructure and services. " Above means - More revenue for MS. 2. "Finally, we will bring Microsoft’s developer tools and services to new…

Let’s not forget that Github came out of rails which was/is a rather SaaS oriented community, and struggled to build out an enterprise sales team that could deliver and market the on-site product to large corps. Microsoft has sales channels into almost every enterprise in the world and can sell a lot more github installations than github could by itself. Github is simply worth way more inside of Microsoft than it was…

> Github is simply worth way more inside of Microsoft than it was outside.

I don't think you can call it inside of MS while you are also highlighting their strength of sales channels. It would be described better that way if MS kept it solely for internal purposes

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by praneshp »

phillipcarter wrote: post #284
SiVal wrote: post #244

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Bigger tech companies not only do not host important private source code on Github but won't even host on outsourced physical servers. Where I've worked (incl. well-known names), information that we wanted spread to the world could be hosted on trusted external systems (trust still mattered to keep it from being "edited"), but non-public info was always hosted inside a physical building that we owned watched 24/7 by…

MS employee here: Long before the acquisition, we've been hosting important stuff in private GitHub repositories. Including having strategic discussions in those private repositories. We've also done a lot of that stuff in public too. Some might say a bit too much, given that we've had things leaked and/or misinterpreted w.r.t product direction in the past. I still agree with your point, but I believe more of this so…

I'm almost sure you mean private repos on github.com, but just wanted to confirm it. You don't mean corp github right?

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by bad_user »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #303
snowwolf wrote: post #21

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I’ve seen many acquisitions commit to 2) only to slowly walk back from that “in the interests of operational efficiencies”. And next thing you know you have to change over to using a Microsoft account to log in...

I actually just made a bet with a friend on whether or not they'd switch GitHub over to Microsoft logins. My strong bet (that I put money behind) is that they won't. They're specifically acquiring this to win over developers and community, and they should hopefully know from the Skype transition how much negative perception that granted them. Their absolute best bet is to sit on GitHub, feed it money, offer the paid…

On Skype, when they migrated to MS accounts, I’ve lost 2/3 of my contacts list and tried contacting support but they wouldn’t admit it, blaming me with a line like “you must be having another Skype account”.

After several retries to talk to them and maybe get somebody more technical on the line, I just gave up and being disappointed I simply gave up on Skype altogether – thankfully it has fallen out of favor at work too.

Skype has been a monumental fuck up and just thinking about it on a thread about GitHub being acquired makes me sad.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by daly »

I read a lot of comments claiming that MS "used to be a bad actor" but, of course, they now "care about developers and open source". Developers, they say, are the very lifeblood of the new Microsoft. "We respect developers."

I work on Windows 10. It is normal for me to have many programs open while I do development along with dozens of web pages containing information I need. Days worth of "state" are stacked on the screen.

Every few days Microsoft reaches out and REBOOTS MY MACHINE, losing my work. My various linux boxes all have uptimes listed in YEARS. So next time you think Microsoft cares about your work be sure to thank them for random reboots. After all, a Microsoft 'update' is MUCH more important than your work. You're "just a developer".

Microsoft cares about Microsoft, not your work. Expect the same attitude to slowly, eventually, take over Github.

You'll need a Microsoft login. You'll be hosted on its server farm, requiring a login. You'll see Microsoft-branded forks of software, prioritized in github searches. You'll see a "Microsoft Git GUI" as the required interface for push/pull. The Microsoft Git will use incompatible hashing from the open source version (it's called "embrace and extend"). Microsoft Git repository communications (e.g. git://github.com) will only work with a Microsoft Git GUI over a Microsoft-login connection.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by StudentStuff »

will4274 wrote: post #354
sdhgaiojfsa wrote: post #344

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> MS is one of the biggest open source contributors nowadays. Really? For its size? It seems like Google, Apple, and Facebook are all much more productive in OSS. The only open source Microsoft product I'm aware of using is VS Code. To my understanding, they haven't open sourced Edge, their JS engine, their compiler, their word processors, or really anything else of note. I guess I can give them a little credit for .…

> their JS engine https://github.com/Microsoft/ChakraCore > their compiler Microsoft makes half a dozen compilers, for as many languages: https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn https://github.com/fsharp/fsharp https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell The only one that I know of that is closed is C++. > anything else of note https://github.com/Microsoft/GVFS https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/microsoft-joins-the-linux-...

PowerShell is a pile of slightly incompatible versions, you end up with code targeting the oldest version you need (often version 2 for Windows 7).

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by wpietri »

RussianCow wrote: post #474
wpietri wrote: post #456

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There's a difference between putting on a mask of citizenship because it's profitable and actually caring about the world beyond the size of one's wallet. Confusing the two requires confusing the meaning of "their own interests".

Is there, though? Maybe I'm just cynical, but I don't believe in the idea of "trusting" a corporation at all, because their default behavior (especially for larger companies) is to only care about the bottom line. Once you accept that everything a company does is for their own benefit (even if their actions happen to also benefit others) and learn to take each action at face value, I find it easier to evaluate the co…

Your argument here is tautological. I'm not saying that one should never use that analytical model, just that there are other ways to do things.

Companies don't act on their own or have beliefs. Only the people that make them up do. The company does need to turn enough profit to sustain itself, but beyond that, it's in large part up to the people who make it up. One of the thorniest problems in investing, for example, is the principle-agent problem, where people act in their own interests.

In America, that's mainly thought about as CEOs and executives serving themselves, not investors. But that's a cultural thing. In Gemany, companies are much more focused on all sorts of stakeholders. That's also often true in America with small and medium businesses, especially ones that are family owned.

Companies are hopefully designed to do whatever the stakeholders want them to do. Sometimes that's serving somebody's rapacious greed. Sometimes it isn't.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by wpietri »

glenstein wrote: post #490
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Once bitten, twice shy. Moreover, although I agree Microsoft is making efforts to change [1], pro-Microsoft partisans make it clear much of this is due to the new CEO. What one CEO does, another can undo. GitHub's bus factor is now 1. I would much rather have seen them go public. They were losing money, but not, last I saw, at a rate that was absurd for building a SaaS business. Is there some reason to think they cou…

>What one CEO does, another can undo. I completely agree with that as a general principle, and I don't disagree with anything you've said outside of this quote. But are you suggesting that Nadella is going to leave Microsoft anytime soon?

No, but he's not immortal. He could get hit by a bus tomorrow. The median CEO in the Fortune 500 lasts only 5 years or so, and he's already in year 4.

Re: Hello, GitHub

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Post by k__ »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #534
k__ wrote: post #430

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I had the impression VSCode had the technical superior plugin system and I found it much more performant. Atom had more plugins for some time, but they had mediocre quality.

> I found it much more performant Sincere question: Does "more performant" simply mean "faster"?

Oh. sorry.

I meant, I found it much more responsive.

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