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Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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It was 3 years ago, and completely different ownership.

But the same name? What a waste of time and money. Sourceforge is never coming back from the dead.

Still a million daily users and 500,000 projects. You can say it's dead because you don't use it, but we're just focused on doing right by them.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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SMH. I used to work for Nat at Xamarin before it was acquired by MSFT. GitHub and Xamarin have had a long and deep relationship going back to at least 2012 (that I’m aware of anyway). Xamarin was run on GitHub. We never used any other version control system. GitHub used Xamarin extensively as well. There were a lot of overlapping social graphs between the engineers of both as well. Miguel and Nat both helped to make…

Yesterday, I only had to worry about storing my data on GitHub if I was in direct competition with them on the integrated SCM business. Any other code wasn't in opposition to their interests. We, generally, were welcome. Today my code on GitHub is in competition with the myriad projects that Microsoft publishes. And even if I stick with Windows coding, they too can and will incorporate it into their stack. Tl;Dr. Doi…

That's a fair concern, and one they now will now have to adequately address in order to keep users content.

But unless you are AWS or Google Cloud Platform, Microsoft isn't competing with you. They may have similar products/services out there at some level, but these days, if it's not driving a lot of Azure adoption/retention then it's not something Microsoft is really going to compete against. That even goes for Windows. Microsoft is putting increasing amounts of money into the Linux ecosystem these days as well.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Thanks. We obviously have to do a better job of getting the word out. I appreciate what you said though.

I appreciate you getting out here to talk to people and trying to do the best by your platform. I promise to give y'all a fair shake in the next few months and I wish you the best going forward.

Thanks my friend

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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GitHub license was changed a year or so ago, allowing an unlimited license to use. I took down my personal repos when they announced (quietly) that. I saw the HN post about it. Lot of people just didn't seem to care much. I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't that mean now Microsoft has an unlimited license of all code uploaded to GitHub? That doesn't seem, ehh, good? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13597340

Are you a lawyer? Didn't think so. "A lot of people" just read it for what it is which is legally protecting themselves while they are actively processing your code to syntax highlight it, display diffs, calculate stats etc. And these a lot of people said as much in the thread.

And the GPL(2,3), and many other libre-based open source licneses is perfectly well within the scope to do exactly those things. They don't need a forever world license that exempts them from anything and everything forever.

And naw shit. I said I wasn't a lawyer. But I can read. It doesn't take someone with a JD to read a term that looks pretty suspicious.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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I don't understand why the people have this huge team mentality. If this team does that, it wrong, if another does it it is ok. Google cancelled Google Code with no backlash, or at least not to this level. Microsoft is trying to save a vital company in the open source community that didn't even have a CEO or any path to profitability and people react like they are going to ban all projects that are not C#. Not only i…

The herd mentality as you, so simplistically, call it comes because many of us are old enough to remember their behaviour in the past. Maybe, we're a proverbial herd of tech elephants with very long memories. Satya Nadella is the cornerstone to this fake love-in with Linux and all things OpenSource. So, then what's to say, when he goes, that Redmond won't revert back to a Complete C&@t of Steve Balmer's ilk as their next CEO? You don't just erase 30yrs of corporate bullying, patent trolling, anti-competition practises and general fuckery because of a few years behaving, less openly, like a bunch of fucks. And it's not just the Win10 spyware/file level data mining and telemetry I have a problem with today, although not having the choice of an opt out is showing their trues colours. Who were the first tech corp to sign up for the US Government's "Prism" surveillance program, as a deep state collaborator, against their own citizens?... Oh yeah that's right M$... Citing other unethical companies like Google or Apple etc, is a straw man argument, we know they are no better. And no, us older fucks, aren't gonna sit on our hands and see how it plays out. I was actually thinking of switching to Gitlab for a while, only my apathy stopped me. M$ just put the bullets in the gun for me to pull the trigger. That's the feeling of many in the community.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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I'm not sure if this will be good or bad for GitHub in the long run (it might actually bring some benefits to GitHub users, by adding more free services, e.g. free private repository), but still, Microsoft as a corporation is not open source friendly, as far as I know, the company still operates its own in-house patent troll and targeting open source related projects/services.

This is an old article, but I don't think a lot has changed since then: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/...

If anyone knows if they have stopped making money suing or making dodge deals with Linux/Android vendors, I'd love to know, if so, I'd start to believe that they, as a corporation, are becoming more open source friendly.

There is a big difference in buying patents for the company's own protection, and buying patents for making money trolling other companies. And unfortunately M$ is on the second group, making money as a patent troll.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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> Microsoft is trying to save a vital company... So Microsoft is in the "company saving" business now? This couldn't be farther from the truth. They bought Github not to save it, but to use it as a resource for whatever goals they deem appropriate. And I really doubt Microsoft's goals align with open source well.

SMH. I used to work for Nat at Xamarin before it was acquired by MSFT. GitHub and Xamarin have had a long and deep relationship going back to at least 2012 (that I’m aware of anyway). Xamarin was run on GitHub. We never used any other version control system. GitHub used Xamarin extensively as well. There were a lot of overlapping social graphs between the engineers of both as well. Miguel and Nat both helped to make…

>Miguel and Nat both helped to make F/OSS and Linux what it is today—thank them if you like GNOME.

Mfw https://youtu.be/9UIiSz5WvRk

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