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Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

lalos wrote: post #11
superflyguy wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an altruistic move on Microsoft's part? Puhleaze. And Google routinely gets beaten up for killing projects, it's just that nobody used Google Code.

I will have to disagree with that, back in the day I remember using more Google Code than Github. Maybe I was more into fringe projects that were not big enough and on Github, but in my personal experience the pain was felt when we lost a bunch of issues and documentation of the platform and not the code itself or the binaries. Plus, this seems like a strategy of Microsoft to win some brownie points in the open sourc…

GitHub license was changed a year or so ago, allowing an unlimited license to use. I took down my personal repos when they announced (quietly) that. I saw the HN post about it. Lot of people just didn't seem to care much.

I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't that mean now Microsoft has an unlimited license of all code uploaded to GitHub? That doesn't seem, ehh, good?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13597340

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#52

Post by sailingparrot »

loganabbott wrote: post #49
sailingparrot wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people want to ditch GitHub because of Microsoft's actions 10 years ago, you can be sure they won't forgive SourceForge last year's actions... Or that would be some pretty heavy cognitive dissonance.

It was 3 years ago, and completely different ownership.

Microsoft has a new CEO, and all major execs have been replaced. This is apparently not enough, so I hardly see how the situation of SourceForge is better in this regard.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#53

Post by loganabbott »

mort96 wrote: post #26
loganabbott wrote: post #10

Almost nothing in this article is accurate. We’ve been doing everything we can to improve SourceForge and we did not hide anything. The writer has an axe to grind for some reason, and maybe his anger is warranted, but it's definitely directed at the wrong people. https://sourceforge.net/blog/introducing-the-new-sourceforge...

I'm actually very genuinely curious: Why did you take over SourceForge and keep its extremely tainted brand, instead of starting something new? Usually, when someone buys a brand, they're doing it because there's some value attached to it, but for me at least, it'll take a lot more for me to try out SourceForge than a service with a completely fresh brand I haven't heard about before.

Because over a million people daily still use SourceForge, and over 500,000 projects do as well. We're focused on doing right by them.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#54

Post by actsasbuffoon »

zgramana wrote: post #33
alexeiz wrote: post #14

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> Microsoft is trying to save a vital company... So Microsoft is in the "company saving" business now? This couldn't be farther from the truth. They bought Github not to save it, but to use it as a resource for whatever goals they deem appropriate. And I really doubt Microsoft's goals align with open source well.

SMH. I used to work for Nat at Xamarin before it was acquired by MSFT. GitHub and Xamarin have had a long and deep relationship going back to at least 2012 (that I’m aware of anyway). Xamarin was run on GitHub. We never used any other version control system. GitHub used Xamarin extensively as well. There were a lot of overlapping social graphs between the engineers of both as well. Miguel and Nat both helped to make…

> Time to move on from the Microsoft hating. That era has been over for a while.

I'll consider it when they allow me turn off telemetry in Windows 10.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#55

Post by actsasbuffoon »

bjpbakker wrote: post #38
optimuspaul wrote: post #15

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Have you been paying attention to Microsoft over the past few years? They have an ugly past, but they are a different company now. I actually think this is a good thing for the community. I for one am sticking with GitHub.

> they are a different company now To name a some of their recent misbehavior: Windows 10 ads and telemetry, Skype, GPL license violation (ie still actively working against FOSS) To me MS keeps proving they are still exactly the same company they've always been. They tend to be better at hiding it from public, I have to give them that.

Agreed. Forced telemetry is unforgivably unethical. There absolutely must be a way to opt out.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#56

Post by superflyguy »

loganabbott wrote: post #49
sailingparrot wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people want to ditch GitHub because of Microsoft's actions 10 years ago, you can be sure they won't forgive SourceForge last year's actions... Or that would be some pretty heavy cognitive dissonance.

It was 3 years ago, and completely different ownership.

But the same name? What a waste of time and money. Sourceforge is never coming back from the dead.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#57

Post by loganabbott »

stuntkite wrote: post #44
rblatz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are replying to the new CEO that bought sourceforge in 2016 and stopped the shady behavior and terrible practices.

Well... I can say honestly, I haven't looked at the site since the adware bundling in GIMP fiasco. That was so criminal, I just couldn't fathom looking again. I guess that's my bad, but is illustrative of the public perception hole they have to climb out of. Good on 'em for trying to do better. I still fondly remember days of the first places I looked in the morning were SF and Slashdot. My apologies for being out of…

Thanks. We obviously have to do a better job of getting the word out. I appreciate what you said though.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#58

Post by mort96 »

sailingparrot wrote: post #52
loganabbott wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was 3 years ago, and completely different ownership.

Microsoft has a new CEO, and all major execs have been replaced. This is apparently not enough, so I hardly see how the situation of SourceForge is better in this regard.

Even with all new execs and a new CEO, Microsoft's expensive operating system still features ads in the start menu. They still troll OSS projects with their patents. Their software still includes telemetry which can't (easily) be disabled.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#59

Post by bmarkovic »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #51
lalos wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will have to disagree with that, back in the day I remember using more Google Code than Github. Maybe I was more into fringe projects that were not big enough and on Github, but in my personal experience the pain was felt when we lost a bunch of issues and documentation of the platform and not the code itself or the binaries. Plus, this seems like a strategy of Microsoft to win some brownie points in the open sourc…

GitHub license was changed a year or so ago, allowing an unlimited license to use. I took down my personal repos when they announced (quietly) that. I saw the HN post about it. Lot of people just didn't seem to care much. I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't that mean now Microsoft has an unlimited license of all code uploaded to GitHub? That doesn't seem, ehh, good? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13597340

Are you a lawyer? Didn't think so. "A lot of people" just read it for what it is which is legally protecting themselves while they are actively processing your code to syntax highlight it, display diffs, calculate stats etc. And these a lot of people said as much in the thread.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

#60

Post by stuntkite »

loganabbott wrote: post #57
stuntkite wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... I can say honestly, I haven't looked at the site since the adware bundling in GIMP fiasco. That was so criminal, I just couldn't fathom looking again. I guess that's my bad, but is illustrative of the public perception hole they have to climb out of. Good on 'em for trying to do better. I still fondly remember days of the first places I looked in the morning were SF and Slashdot. My apologies for being out of…

Thanks. We obviously have to do a better job of getting the word out. I appreciate what you said though.

I appreciate you getting out here to talk to people and trying to do the best by your platform.

I promise to give y'all a fair shake in the next few months and I wish you the best going forward.

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