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Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by preinheimer »

new_guy wrote: post #21
optimuspaul wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you been paying attention to Microsoft over the past few years? They have an ugly past, but they are a different company now. I actually think this is a good thing for the community. I for one am sticking with GitHub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana Microsoft lost all goodwill a long time ago, and they'll never get it back.

If they lost it all "a long time ago" is there a new cohort of developers who just weren't around to see it happen. Most of the references on that page are from ~2002, so kids who were six then are out of college now.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by murukesh_s »

alexeiz wrote: post #14
lalos wrote: post #3

I don't understand why the people have this huge team mentality. If this team does that, it wrong, if another does it it is ok. Google cancelled Google Code with no backlash, or at least not to this level. Microsoft is trying to save a vital company in the open source community that didn't even have a CEO or any path to profitability and people react like they are going to ban all projects that are not C#. Not only i…

> Microsoft is trying to save a vital company... So Microsoft is in the "company saving" business now? This couldn't be farther from the truth. They bought Github not to save it, but to use it as a resource for whatever goals they deem appropriate. And I really doubt Microsoft's goals align with open source well.

Which big corporate's is? If Microsoft can't be trusted neither Google, Facebook,IBM or Oracle for that matter. They could ruin or shut it down if it's not aligning with their goal which is to make money.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by zgramana »

alexeiz wrote: post #14
lalos wrote: post #3

I don't understand why the people have this huge team mentality. If this team does that, it wrong, if another does it it is ok. Google cancelled Google Code with no backlash, or at least not to this level. Microsoft is trying to save a vital company in the open source community that didn't even have a CEO or any path to profitability and people react like they are going to ban all projects that are not C#. Not only i…

> Microsoft is trying to save a vital company... So Microsoft is in the "company saving" business now? This couldn't be farther from the truth. They bought Github not to save it, but to use it as a resource for whatever goals they deem appropriate. And I really doubt Microsoft's goals align with open source well.

SMH. I used to work for Nat at Xamarin before it was acquired by MSFT. GitHub and Xamarin have had a long and deep relationship going back to at least 2012 (that I’m aware of anyway).

Xamarin was run on GitHub. We never used any other version control system. GitHub used Xamarin extensively as well. There were a lot of overlapping social graphs between the engineers of both as well.

Miguel and Nat both helped to make F/OSS and Linux what it is today—thank them if you like GNOME. Nat represents MSFT in this deal, and that’s great news for F/OSS enthusiasts everywhere.

Nat and Scott Guthrie aren’t responsible for the “sins of their fathers.” Time to move on from the Microsoft hating. That era has been over for a while.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by sailingparrot »

TheChaplain wrote: post #25
craftyguy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No kidding. Sourceforge is the future of github, in the best case. Ads everywhere, binay spyware injected into your projects, etc.

You are talking about the old Sourceforge, since their recent acquisition they've done a great deal to clean up their act.

If people want to ditch GitHub because of Microsoft's actions 10 years ago, you can be sure they won't forgive SourceForge last year's actions... Or that would be some pretty heavy cognitive dissonance.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by stuntkite »

loganabbott wrote: post #10

Almost nothing in this article is accurate. We’ve been doing everything we can to improve SourceForge and we did not hide anything. The writer has an axe to grind for some reason, and maybe his anger is warranted, but it's definitely directed at the wrong people. https://sourceforge.net/blog/introducing-the-new-sourceforge...

I remember back when 15ish years ago when SourceForge was a neat thing. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why I would go there for any reason. Let alone host anything I cared about on that domain.

It's not even death by a thousand cuts, which y'all have done to yourself, but you also just failed to provide anything in the last 10 years that felt like it wasn't a cop out. Ignoring the abysmal failures and adware issues, which should be a non starter anyway.

We have tons of options that aren't SourceForge. Why is this even really a discussion? Gonna link to your SF from your My_?

EDIT:

Apparently SF is under new management and they are trying to change people's perception and are making good by a some accounts. I stand by what I said before I knew that, but I look forward to them contributing to the community in a way we can all respect.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by briffle »

yodon wrote: post #22

This exodus is precisely why Microsoft bought github, and why Microsoft built VS Code, and why it is open sourcing .NET Core and why it is shipping Linux integration into Windows and all the other huge moves the company is making. They recognize they lost the hearts and minds of developers. They are fixing that. Not fixed. Fixing. It’ll take the better part of a decade and some people will never change. Five years ag…

Yet most of their other tools still don't work on Linux, and have no public roadmap to, or any kind of comments on.. I'm waiting on my MS Teams client.... I can understand the older software, that might have lots of history, legacy libraries, etc, but Teams is a brand new tool they are just releasing.. They have a chrome plugin, but it requires you install an MSI.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by filomeno »

optimuspaul wrote: post #15
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell me you are trolling people. You can't seriously believe what you are writing here. Microsoft is an ugly company with ugly business practices and they are absolutely not trying to save anybody.

Have you been paying attention to Microsoft over the past few years? They have an ugly past, but they are a different company now. I actually think this is a good thing for the community. I for one am sticking with GitHub.

They are so different, that even thought they keep the same practices and goals from always, some people say they're a different company now!

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by bjpbakker »

optimuspaul wrote: post #15
some_account wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell me you are trolling people. You can't seriously believe what you are writing here. Microsoft is an ugly company with ugly business practices and they are absolutely not trying to save anybody.

Have you been paying attention to Microsoft over the past few years? They have an ugly past, but they are a different company now. I actually think this is a good thing for the community. I for one am sticking with GitHub.

> they are a different company now

To name a some of their recent misbehavior: Windows 10 ads and telemetry, Skype, GPL license violation (ie still actively working against FOSS)

To me MS keeps proving they are still exactly the same company they've always been. They tend to be better at hiding it from public, I have to give them that.

Re: Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge

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Post by rblatz »

stuntkite wrote: post #35
loganabbott wrote: post #10

Almost nothing in this article is accurate. We’ve been doing everything we can to improve SourceForge and we did not hide anything. The writer has an axe to grind for some reason, and maybe his anger is warranted, but it's definitely directed at the wrong people. https://sourceforge.net/blog/introducing-the-new-sourceforge...

I remember back when 15ish years ago when SourceForge was a neat thing. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why I would go there for any reason. Let alone host anything I cared about on that domain. It's not even death by a thousand cuts, which y'all have done to yourself, but you also just failed to provide anything in the last 10 years that felt like it wasn't a cop out. Ignoring the abysmal failures and adwar…

You are replying to the new CEO that bought sourceforge in 2016 and stopped the shady behavior and terrible practices.
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