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Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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Post by jacksmith21006 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 1:24 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #146

jacksmith21006 wrote: post #145

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The issue is there is a poster that goes by "ocdtrekkie" for some reason has post a number of times things that are not true and pretty much only posts things that are not true around Google in a negative light. Not sure what drives it but it is not based on facts. Am I allowed to refute when things said are not true? I will post with facts to support? Perfect example is him posting all over that Google removed "do n…

Arguments like this are not as 'factual' as they feel to the people arguing, but are driven by conflicting preferences and emotions. If I like X strongly enough and you despise X strongly enough, then every time we meet we're going to tangle about X. Such arguments are repetitive, tedious to everyone else, and devolve into incivility. The impulse to do this needs to be resisted. So the answer to your question "how to…

Saying that Google removed "do not be evil" in a employee code of conduct document that we can clearly see is in the document is not a fact?

Here is the agreement.

The very last statement is

"And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!"

https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html

How is that not a fact?

My issue is just things that a clearly, factually, untrue like the example above. NOT things that are opinion.

I love HN and it is a great source because we do NOT have people doing what ocdtrekkie does. But I feel things that are very, very black and white like the example I gave above should be allowed to be countered. Or better yet just NOT allowed.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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Post by cryptoz » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 1:51 PM UTC

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #149

cryptoz wrote: post #148

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So we're just pretending that Trump doesn't exist? There's a big difference between then and today.

Yea basically. Obviously the President is the final authority of the DoD, and the Chain of Command will obey legal orders, but as was made clear with the Transgender conflict between the SECDEF and POTUS it's not as clear cut as the POTUS saying "do as I say" and it just happening. The Department of Defense isn't an overtly political organization and has a deep philosophy of operating largely the same irrespective of…

> Yea basically.

Pretending Trump doesn't exist is a really, really bad idea. It's extremely dangerous to the democracy that exists in the USA and the world to pretend that the insane President, self-declared dictator of the country simply does not exist.

Your example is a logical fallacy. Merely because the President's orders via tweet were not enacted does not mean you can simply ignore the current situation.

'I have the absolute right to PARDON myself' he said today. He is not a President, the US military is unstable presently due to his leadership, by definition.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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Post by smsm42 » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:12 AM UTC

chrisbennet wrote: post #105

smsm42 wrote: post #90

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They don't have it anymore. Now it's "do the right thing". What is "the right thing" of course is up to the management to decide.

”still: “And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!” Last line of google company motto. They moved it but “don’t be evil” is still in the motto.

That's not motto, that's code of conduct.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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Post by jacksmith21006 » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 12:10 PM UTC

smsm42 wrote: post #150

jacksmith21006 wrote: post #123

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Not true. Here is the agreement which was updated in April 2018. https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html Google wanted to emphasize so they put it on the last line that you read with the document. The alt right was who made up the story that Google removed it and then picked up by conservative media and then all media was misreporting it. Typical Google they do not defend themselves and just let it…

> Google wanted to emphasize so they put it on the last line That's an odd way to emphasize something. I don't remember any time that I wanted to emphasize something so I put it in the last line of the document.

Pretty long document and what you read last is what you will remember the most.

It is what you are left with. Brains are closer to LIFO than FIFO.

It is why it is easier, usually, to remember things that were more recent than longer ago.

But there are exceptions. I have an incredible memory for things from a very long time ago and not so good at more recent. But I am unusual as my siblings can't remember the same things I can when we were kids and I am younger.