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Facebook Gave Device Makers Deep Access to Data on Users and Friends
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#62I for one do not expect Facebook to change much unless there's a big shakeup from the top, including removing Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg and others. What they have shown repeatedly is contempt for their users in the guise of apologies and remediations that go nowhere. Since such a shakeup is unlikely to happen, the other thing that could happen is a breaking up of the company, which I'm guessing (this is not a…
OR, the people who made Facebook interesting will go elsewhere. I've received a few invites to email lists, and one to a private blog, to replace the authors' Facebook posts.
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#63Most notable pieces I took from the article: 1) Facebook does not see third parties (such as BlackBerry) as “third parties.” 2) Facebook told Congress that it disabled third party access to user data, but in actuality did not. My own strong interjection: Facebook’s competitive advantage is its disregard for ethics. Somehow, Zuckerberg has been able to convince a lot of smart people to do unethical things and build un…
> This disregard for ethics has allowed Facebook to “grow at all costs." There's a great phrase for this: "move fast and break things". When you believe it is ok to break small rules and norms, it becomes easier to break larger norms and ethics and rules. This philosophy took SV by storm, but at its core it's always been about disregarding things like laws and ethics, and now we are seeing the world that created.
You might think that that's a great phrase for it, but many other people don't interpret "move fast and break things" to mean what you think it means.
I'm all for criticizing things that have gone wrong, but you're using an overly-broad brush.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This disregard for ethics has allowed Facebook to “grow at all costs." There's a great phrase for this: "move fast and break things". When you believe it is ok to break small rules and norms, it becomes easier to break larger norms and ethics and rules. This philosophy took SV by storm, but at its core it's always been about disregarding things like laws and ethics, and now we are seeing the world that created.
You might think that that's a great phrase for it, but many other people don't interpret "move fast and break things" to mean what you think it means. I'm all for criticizing things that have gone wrong, but you're using an overly-broad brush.
I wish I could agree with you're more nuanced viewpoint, but seeing a whole industry making insane amounts of money based on abusive and deceptive business models suggests that there truely is a broader issue. Whether the underlying attitude is best describe by "move fast, break things" is debatable but we can't easily dismiss the idea.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
We (society) made the rules, and we can change them. We have the power to make laws dictating how Facebook can use the data, regardless of what the contract says, regardless of their current "obligations", and regardless of how "public" this data might be. We made new laws about medical data -- we can make news laws about social data. That's what these stories are about -- things we can think about when drafting this…
Why does the law need to change for this? Facebook should disclose what they do with your data, and that is about it. At that point, it is really up to you to decide if you want to play ball...
So Facebook gets to make the rules? The law changes whenever we feel like it should, that's how democracy works.
You say why should the laws change and why shouldn't we individually decide whether or not to play ball?
For one thing, Facebook creates profiles of people who don't have accounts, but for another, and more importantly:
Why should companies not be able to dump toxins in rivers? It's up to us whether we want to buy from that company and contribute to pollution -- or we could start up an EPA... which we did. Same deal with Facebook, sort of. Society can make whatever rules it wants, the only natural law is chaos, and of it we make order.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might think that that's a great phrase for it, but many other people don't interpret "move fast and break things" to mean what you think it means. I'm all for criticizing things that have gone wrong, but you're using an overly-broad brush.
I wish I could agree with you're more nuanced viewpoint, but seeing a whole industry making insane amounts of money based on abusive and deceptive business models suggests that there truely is a broader issue. Whether the underlying attitude is best describe by "move fast, break things" is debatable but we can't easily dismiss the idea.
I think the point is that that quip usually refers to technical breakage, i.e. "it's better to ship more often and potentially break something that you then fix equally quickly, than spending thrice as much time analysing the problem to ensure there's no breakage in the first place". In other words, an entirely different meaning that what the grandparent meant when they said it was a great phrase for it.
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#68Now read this and do make sure you type the takeaways like you did for the NYTimes article above: https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/06/why-we-disagree-with-th...
Doesn't actually deny any of the accusations, except maybe for the "access to friends' data not being shared" (for which the NYT should be criticized for being too vague - it's not clear how and why they "believed" it wasn't shared).
I like the part "all these partnerships were built on a common interest" - tautologies always sound good.
As for the only actual defense (the data agreements), it was already in the NYT story.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might think that that's a great phrase for it, but many other people don't interpret "move fast and break things" to mean what you think it means. I'm all for criticizing things that have gone wrong, but you're using an overly-broad brush.
I wish I could agree with you're more nuanced viewpoint, but seeing a whole industry making insane amounts of money based on abusive and deceptive business models suggests that there truely is a broader issue. Whether the underlying attitude is best describe by "move fast, break things" is debatable but we can't easily dismiss the idea.
That's an excellent reason to attack abusive and deceptive business models. Have at it.
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#70"The company continued to build new private APIs for device makers through 2014" "Michael LaForgia, a New York Times reporter, used the Hub app on a BlackBerry Z10 to log into Facebook." -- this is a phone announced in 2013. I understand the concern with Facebook, but this article is presenting information from 4 years ago as if it's news.
It's news if people didn't know. Plus FB itself says that 60 companies used these APIs, and only 22 of those have ended as of today.