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Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning point' in relations

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Re: Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning point' in relations

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Post by Karishma1234 »

akhatri_aus wrote: post #20
mozumder wrote: post #2

Tariffs, and protectionism, are such an extreme measure. It should only be used against countries that you're going to war with. They should never be used in the course of normal trade. America is like 50 countries with open border & free trade policy between them. Can you imagine what would happen if states decided to impose tariffs on each other?

I think you mean sanctions, not tariffs or quotas. There is not a single country that does not apply tariffs or quotas.

You call them sanctions when you talk about your enemies, you call them tariffs when you do it to your friends. The difference is nearly 0.

Re: Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning point' in relations

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Post by andrewstuart »

darawk wrote: post #67
andrewstuart wrote: post #66

Another option is not play tit-for-tat and instead appeal to the American people by refusing to impose tariffs in return. Make it about Trump, not America. There's a chance Trump will lose all his power within a few months anyway if the republicans do very badly in the midterm elections.

That would sort of prove Trump's point though. "See, they knew their trade practices were unfair - they're not even fighting back".

Trumps blather means nothing - the idea is to speak to the American people, not Trump.

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Post by throwaway5752 »

Larrikin wrote: post #58
throwaway5752 wrote: post #52

Donald Trump is objectively (ranked by presidential historians of all political parties) as the worst president in the 242 year history of the US. It will be work to get back what we can of what we've lost.

I believe it, but would like a source to see the criteria and who is rating.

https://sps.boisestate.edu/politicalscience/files/2018/02/Gr...

"The 2018 Presidents & Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey was conducted online via Qualtrics from December 22, 2017 to January 16, 2018. Respondents were current and recent members of the Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association, which is the foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics. 320 respondents were invited to participate, and 170 usable responses were received, yielding a 53.1% response rate"

It's impossible to prove anything. But these people are scholars in the field, it's non-partisan, the survey methodology is transparent, the results are fairly consistent across partisan self-identification, and they are fairly consistent over time (2014 poll of same org, 2010 Siena College survey, et al). It's significant.

Re: Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning point' in relations

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Post by azernik »

craftyguy wrote: post #40
wwweston wrote: post #5

Opinion: Trade sanctions against America won’t work. Sanctioning Trump himself might. https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/trade-sanctions-against-amer...

That's exactly what the US does to folks (e.g. Putin's friends) when they do stupid, I'm surprised that no nations have considered doing the same with Donald and his friends/family.

The article itself explicitly makes the comparison to the US Magnitsky Act.

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Post by joering2 »

Karishma1234 wrote: post #68

What is the point of political discussion on HN ? Isn't HN meant for quality technical discussions ? Nothing good can come out of these sort of flame wars here.

So don't participate.

Besides: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Canada hits back at 'punitive' U.S. tariffs in 'turning point' in relations

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Post by [deleted] »

andrewstuart wrote: post #66

Another option is not play tit-for-tat and instead appeal to the American people by refusing to impose tariffs in return. Make it about Trump, not America. There's a chance Trump will lose all his power within a few months anyway if the republicans do very badly in the midterm elections.

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Post by newnewpdro »

wwweston wrote: post #5

Opinion: Trade sanctions against America won’t work. Sanctioning Trump himself might. https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/trade-sanctions-against-amer...

I am finding it difficult to accept this is the reality we live in:

"the President can be successfully engaged, and countries like Ukraine, China, and Qatar have demonstrated this. When they want something from the United States, they skip the State Department, and even the White House staff. Instead of approaching their problem state-to-state, they go state-to-man. These countries focus on what Trump wants on a personal level – to enrich his family. So Beijing granted Ivanka trademarks, Qatar invested in one of Jared’s office towers, and Ukraine, with Slavic candor, simply wired half a million dollars to the President’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen."

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Post by chillwaves »

craftyguy wrote: post #47
jcranmer wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, not so much states that voted for Trump, but small-population states that rack up lots of Senate votes. Put punitive tariffs on corn, soybean, and pork exports, and you'll have a dozen senators imploring Trump to back off.

Interesting that it's perfectly legal for foreign nations to pressure folks into voting one way or another by punishing them for voting in a particular president (and possibly hurting his/his party's chances of re-election), but it's not if they run ads to try and pursuade voters. It's almost like indirect election influencing vs direct election influencing (Russia in 2016). Somehow one is bad, but the other isn't.

The difference is when a US candidate works with a foreign power to win. You really don't see the distinction?

Foreign governments do lobby our government, and register for the privilege. This is not the same as Trump Jr conspiring with Russians in Trump tower.

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Post by chillwaves »

dominotw wrote: post #30
jonhendry18 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way to "negotiate" with the Trump administration involves contributing to the Trump businesses.

Is this true? Do you have an example?

No, I don't have "an" example, but there are a many if you bother to look.

http://fortune.com/2018/05/09/michael-cohen-corporate-relati...

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