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I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by pascalxus »

irregular-john wrote: post #37

Absolutely a serious question here: what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit? These companies provide services that you , a user of their platforms, want. Providing those services is not free, and yet the prevailing sentiment across the internet seems to be, "Wow, I can't believe FB was using my data to sell me ads!"

yeah, i don't get it either. I really don't mind if they use all my info to target me with ads. In fact, I prefer it. I'd much rather get relevant ads that show me products I really want or need because I ONLY buy stuff I really want or really need. I've never purchased anything merely because an ad popped up and told me to buy it.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by ianai »

bobwaycott wrote: post #133
ianai wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right word. A world where you may have no privacy and must choose how it is sold (directly, indirectly) is insidious.

Your phrasing is rather off then. Your original statement was that we might perhaps, in the future, accept payment upfront for our privacy (whatever that might mean--are we getting paid for our data or for our privacy?) or that we'd be paid through insidiously free services. So ... how are these insidiously free services paying us? In features? More specifically, because of your phrasing, how are they paying us in th…

The new meta is no one has privacy. The default state of the internet invades your privacy. Period. So maybe down the road we’ll still have no privacy. But we can opt to sell it wholesale, all at once, instead of being lured into divulging it.

You’d be selling personally authentic data as opposed to noisy metrics. I don’t know what good the marketers would provide you. Possibly free services (email) sans trackers.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by etherealG »

amasad wrote: post #23

I just finished reading Radical Markets ( http://a.co/7cNafHl ) and it's funny to see this HN story because the last chapter was about "data labor" where the authors claim that we're all working for FB/GOOG/etc to generate data to train the AIs that makes profit for these companies. And that it's time for "data workers of the world to unite" into a "data labor movement" so we can get paid for our work (I found it kin…

I’m pretty sure diamonds are expensive due to artificial scarcity introduced by debeers holding on to huge quantities. No need for some fancy ideas there, they should really rename that paradox to some material that wasn’t market manipulated so heavily.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by milbow »

supreme_sublime wrote: post #132
milbow wrote: post #94

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I am quite interested in the BAT (Basic Attention Token) project. Using the Brave browser you can either block ads normally or choose to view Brave ads, and the difference with Brave ads is that the viewer gets paid--- in tokens, that is. They can then use the accumulated BAT tokens to send micropayments to platforms and content that they like or peruse frequently. Pretty cool incentive system. And Brave is a really…

Yeah, but it begs the question, why would anyone want BAT tokens?

AFAIK, you can't even withdraw the tokens currently. The idea being, you use the BAT tokens to send micropayments to your favorite sites, and then they can do plenty of things--- re-use that BAT to advertise, cash it out via fiat gateway, etc.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by amasad »

etherealG wrote: post #143
amasad wrote: post #23

I just finished reading Radical Markets ( http://a.co/7cNafHl ) and it's funny to see this HN story because the last chapter was about "data labor" where the authors claim that we're all working for FB/GOOG/etc to generate data to train the AIs that makes profit for these companies. And that it's time for "data workers of the world to unite" into a "data labor movement" so we can get paid for our work (I found it kin…

I’m pretty sure diamonds are expensive due to artificial scarcity introduced by debeers holding on to huge quantities. No need for some fancy ideas there, they should really rename that paradox to some material that wasn’t market manipulated so heavily.

There's a curious anti-intellectual trend in HN where people think they can explain things simply without "fancy ideas".

Scarcity on it's own doesn't explain it. Your grandma's locket is scarce (only 1) yet no one will pay anything for it.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by earenndil »

irregular-john wrote: post #37

Absolutely a serious question here: what is the big deal with companies e.g. Facebook and Google using your data for profit? These companies provide services that you , a user of their platforms, want. Providing those services is not free, and yet the prevailing sentiment across the internet seems to be, "Wow, I can't believe FB was using my data to sell me ads!"

I don't want to use facebook and google's services. I'm perfectly happy to use alternatives that won't track me and that I pay for. However, when facebook and google trackers are in completely unrelated websites, when my friends' emails are owned by google, when my school forces me to use google services for my school work, then it's not my choice. I'm forced to give them my data.

Re: I put all my personal data on eBay

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Post by hk__2 »

intended wrote: post #112
hk__2 wrote: post #82

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> Sure it does. Facebook relies on the concept of peer pressure and people's desire for a sense of belonging to continue to monetize its product. Every single social network relies on this concept; the way it’s monetized is independant of that.

Sorry I kind of missed the independence part - in the main, no social network has value unless it has most of the target audience on the network. So monetization results are entirely dependent on having those people subscribed. Thus all the emphasis on techniques to get people hooked/attracted/addicted etc. That’s sort of an operating cost/basic imperative to the social network. So when you say it’s independent , wha…

> So when you say it’s independent , what do you mean?

We agree that "monetization results are entirely dependent on having those people subscribed". What I’m saying is the _way_ Facebook does that monetization (with ads) is independent of that. If Facebook were a subscription-based service, it’d still rely on those "techniques to get people hooked/attracted/addicted etc". So you can’t complain about Facebook’s ad-based model by saying it encourages peer pressure because the latter would still exist even if there weren’t ads.

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