I assume the WHO relies on local census & medical data to generate these statistics (the Reuters piece doesn't have a citation on ths) so I'd take this data with a grain of salt until we hear more details about the methodology.
Given the terrible state of US healthcare and social support infrastructure, I don't find this hard to believe at all.
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given the terrible state of US healthcare and social support infrastructure, I don't find this hard to believe at all.
And China spends very little on healthcare, especially through its public sector: http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Briefing-Note-CHINA-2... So other factors are probably responsible.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
The story looks like a credible source of facts, but any takeaway is a minefield of ways to be wrong. I assume life expectancy is vulnerable to Simpson's paradox and that the we really need detailed analysis to determine why the aggregate difference exists. Without that the differences in the article are not large enough to really draw anything out of except vague feelings of national pride. Life expectancy is also a…
I'm surprised there's no measure for life expectancy, given you made it to age 20.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_function
I understand this is what actuaries spend their days tabulating. (I am an engineer not an actuary but in the past I been involved in efforts to apply the same maths to asset aging. However your mileage varies massively with the quality of your data).
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given the terrible state of US healthcare and social support infrastructure, I don't find this hard to believe at all.
Terrible compared to? This is absurd if you are someone with US hospital intake experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw
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A quick google search would show this is untrue. Opioid overdoses kill 40,000 a year. 2.7 million Americans die per year. Even if you were talking about a decrease in healthy lifespan, Opioids do not generally cause a person to transition from healthy to unhealthy (they are prescribed to treat a preexisting condition). Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
That's not necessarily a disproof - if opioids are killing people who are disproportionately young, then they could have an outsize effect on life expectancy. Say life expectancy is 79 years. If a new cause of death occurs that affects 10% of the population and kills, on average, at age 78, then life expectancy goes down to 78.9. If a new cause of death occurs that affects 10% of the population and kills at age 29, t…
[0] http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2018/05/lawler-us-deaths-j...
Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
#146The US lifespan is decreasing due to opioid overdoses. Similar to Russia in the 90's with alcohol.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Terrible compared to? This is absurd if you are someone with US hospital intake experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw
I try to make it a rule to not base my opinions on YouTube videos with titles beginning with "The TRUTH about..."
https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/TIApj2qMvvIcmN-DkPd5RA...
I might still will watch something that makes that mistake, especially if I appreciate the previous history of the mistake maker. In this case, it's a first person experience that jives with what I know since I know a few Canadians and have plenty of US emergency room experience.
Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
#148This study is backward looking; it hasn't taken account of China's current set of factors that could skew the lifespan down tremendously for average Chinese citizens. Factors such as 1.) Air pollution. In your typical big cities, e.g Beijing, it average AQI 100-150 for the past 10+ years https://young-0.com/airquality/ . In other lower tiered cities, it average between 50-100. Just to compare, WHO recommend only AQI…
How is it backward looking? Do you think the data is wrong? Or interpreted wrong? You’ve presented some news articles about issues in China but I don’t know how these affects overall life expectancy in combination with all the other factors. Do you? They seem to think they’ve taken account of likely future trends and ongoing health issues because they’ve said: > Chinese newborns can look forward to 68.7 years of heal…
I don't have an opinion about China, but just in general, I'm sure they don't have data from the future :-) I would say it is okay to say that about such predictions. There are others that don't rely as much on past data, but especially this kind of prediction surely is entirely based on numbers from the past, or do we have a model that reliably predicts those outcomes from at least present data (i.e. less data from people, but that it uses data about the circumstances, like amount & quality of sanitation and food)? If the model is purely based on human population statistics it's 100% past.
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#149Congratulations to China and the Chinese people who have managed to measurably improve their livelihoods over the last few decades.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines_in_China [1] http://www.sacu.org/greatleapfamine.html
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"When you look at the obesity numbers" ... Unfortunately, theses 'lifespan' measurements have a lot to do with violent crime, car accidents, suicides, war deaths etc. - i.e. things that aren't so much about health than otherwise. It's why average lifespan isn't necessarily a very good measure of health outcomes. I think US is down due to overdoses, which is a kind of health issues, but not necessarily a regular measu…
legalization of weed is the worst decision IMO that not only affects the healthy life span but also intoxicate the next gen.