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China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Case in point, the no-fly list in the US. No one publically knows if they're on it, there is similarly no means to appeal being on it. At least one would know if they held a poor Chinese social credit rating - though I don't know what resolution mechanism they might have for mistakes either.

I can't be put on the no-fly list for shoveling bigmacs down my throat.

How do you know? The criteria are not public either.

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But in the Chinese system, your number goes down if someone you're friends with on social media makes a post that the Chinese government deems politically unsavory

This is true in the west as well. Especially now in 2018, if someone you're even tangentially connected to does something deemed to be unsavory you are expected to immediately and forcefully disavow them or face the social consequences. Even then, you still may be tainted by association.

"This is true in the west as well. Especially now in 2018, if someone you're even tangentially connected to does something deemed to be unsavory you are expected to immediately and forcefully disavow them or face the social consequences. Even then, you still may be tainted by association."

No, this is generally not true.

Unless you're a public figure and only then in specific circumstances.

Almost nobody holds people accountable for what their friends do.

Bill Clinton's brother was a drug dealer.

Barak Obama's father was a kind of unsavoury deadbeat dad.

I suppose both of them would have had nary enough 'social credit' to become President.

Also - it's borderline shocking to hear a casual defence of this system. Theoretically yes, I can see a rhetorical argument, but in practice it's pretty scary. In America people do have 'credit scores' but that's generally a more open thing, and you still get to vote and ride the subway if you have low credit score.

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The US lifespan is decreasing due to opioid overdoses. Similar to Russia in the 90's with alcohol.

Pardon my utter ignorance/disbelief - are opioids killing/debilitating that many people to get this result?

No. I would guess the biggest factor is our number one killer, heart disease. Healthy lifespan.... People live a long time with heart disease, but they are never healthy again. Same with many terminal cancers, etc.

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Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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The US lifespan is decreasing due to opioid overdoses. Similar to Russia in the 90's with alcohol.

With a lot of the fentanyl flowing into the US market being made in China, it's almost like a reverse opium war between the east/west.

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true in the west as well. Especially now in 2018, if someone you're even tangentially connected to does something deemed to be unsavory you are expected to immediately and forcefully disavow them or face the social consequences. Even then, you still may be tainted by association.

"This is true in the west as well. Especially now in 2018, if someone you're even tangentially connected to does something deemed to be unsavory you are expected to immediately and forcefully disavow them or face the social consequences. Even then, you still may be tainted by association." No, this is generally not true. Unless you're a public figure and only then in specific circumstances. Almost nobody holds people…

Please point out where I am actually defending the PRC's various "social credit" systems rather than criticizing the west for having similar systems of social control.

Speaking of Clinton, is "immediately and forcefully disavow" not exactly what his Sister Souljah moment was? Ditto for Obama's Jeremiah Wright moment.

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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The US lifespan is decreasing due to opioid overdoses. Similar to Russia in the 90's with alcohol.

A quick google search would show this is untrue. Opioid overdoses kill 40,000 a year. 2.7 million Americans die per year.

Even if you were talking about a decrease in healthy lifespan, Opioids do not generally cause a person to transition from healthy to unhealthy (they are prescribed to treat a preexisting condition).

Sources:

https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/index.html

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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The US lifespan is decreasing due to opioid overdoses. Similar to Russia in the 90's with alcohol.

Pardon my utter ignorance/disbelief - are opioids killing/debilitating that many people to get this result?

60,000+ people are overdosing in the US. The Fentanyl China is dumping into the US killed 20,000 people in 2016, up from 3,000 just a few years prior. By comparison, Cocaine killed 10,000, Heroin killed 15,000, and prescription opiods killed 14,000.

The reason it disproportionately impacts life expectancy, is because a lot of the people overdosing are young.

If you suddenly have 250,000 people under 40 years of age overdosing over five years, you're going to see it in the life expectancy numbers even if your population is 320m. The small increases you'd expect to see in life expectancy year by year otherwise, will evaporate.

To get a picture of the overall health impact (non overdose deaths), one would need to look at how many additional addicts the opioid explosion has caused (eg in the last 10-15 years), study the health impact over time on those people, and so on.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Case in point, the no-fly list in the US. No one publically knows if they're on it, there is similarly no means to appeal being on it. At least one would know if they held a poor Chinese social credit rating - though I don't know what resolution mechanism they might have for mistakes either.

I can't be put on the no-fly list for shoveling bigmacs down my throat.

Respectfully I disagree. Some airlines will make you buy a second seat, but if there is no second seat, you could be bumped from that airplane due to incredible obesity. Likewise, with enough big Macs, you might grow to such large size that you present safety issues for other passengers. As such, you might be denied boarding.
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