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Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by ericb »

slavik81 wrote: post #546
fixermark wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, that vision of what the internet could be never really answered the question of where the money was coming from to pay for the servers that are delivering that content.

USA Today originally distributed their advertisements on paper without any user tracking. I don't see why advertising without tracking is so unthinkable today.

Because it is two orders of magnitude less effective. Putting an ad for a blender in front of someone recently searching for blenders is 100x more effective than putting it in front of a random person.

This means the revenue they can charge for that ad is 100x less, which means that any sites without massive, massive user bases will perish, and those that survive will do it on a pittance.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by fixermark »

joepie91_ wrote: post #652
fixermark wrote: post #449

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Of course, that vision of what the internet could be never really answered the question of where the money was coming from to pay for the servers that are delivering that content.

You're aware that this is precisely how the web (successfully!) worked before it was taken over by marketing interests, right?

And it was funded by universities and a defense department project. Once we got the private sector into the experiment, it needed to pay for itself. Bandwidth isn't free, and neither is content creation.

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Post by ggg9990 »

tomc1985 wrote: post #603
ggg9990 wrote: post #564

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> Either pay or sell yourself. What is your preferred third option for content that costs money to make?

There are a ton of great business models for financing content that do not require smart ads or the kind of tracking we see today. They are not as exciting but ... tough cookies.

Yes.. it’s called charging money... Which some are mad about which is ridiculous.

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Post by dexterdog »

strictnein wrote: post #346
dexterdog wrote: post #284

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Because the US will strong-arm the NZ govt into arresting you for piracy.

I think you mean that the NZ and US have both signed on to treaties governing copyrights.

I thought that's what I said - NZ being strong-armed by the US.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by jon__k »

sireat wrote: post #102
flohofwoe wrote: post #48

Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

That looks fantastic, I would actually read USA Today if this lean site sticks around. If they want to monetize, publishers should control their own generic ad inventory (like they used to in old pre internet days) and ask for opt-in if you want customization. Easy on paper but hard in reality.

Too late. It now redirects to http://www.usatoday.com with lots of cookie trackers.

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Post by strictnein »

dexterdog wrote: post #674
strictnein wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean that the NZ and US have both signed on to treaties governing copyrights.

I thought that's what I said - NZ being strong-armed by the US.

Strong-armed would seem to imply something other than "uphold your end of the treaty we both signed".

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Post by tracker1 »

CodeSheikh wrote: post #327
tracker1 wrote: post #178

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So, you're saying if someone from Saudi Arabia sees a German website that shows a woman's bare knees, that the German site will have to pay Saudi fines?

Did you just compare a data privacy law with some hypothetical obscure privacy law? Amusing. Per your analogy, if German website still wants to be shown in SA then either they get SA govt on board with w/e content they are serving (bare knees in this case) or they stop traffic coming in from SA altogether or they simply comply with SA local laws and censor content (bare knees). You should do some research on how US b…

That's China doing the blocking... You're saying I should have to perform custom work for a legal case that I'm not under jurisdiction of.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by mrtksn »

dazilcher wrote: post #639
mrtksn wrote: post #441

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So do you argue that businesses that do business over the internet should be subject to the laws where the business is legally based? So, do you say that EU businesses should be able to operate in the USA but according to the EU laws and without any consideration to the US laws? Or is your arguments something else, something selfish like all online businesses should operate according to the US laws or something like…

> So do you argue that businesses that do business over the internet should be subject to the laws where the business is legally based? Well, duh, businesses are subject to local laws! That is not an argument, but a fact. Don't take my word, ask your friendly lawyer. What is your alternative? That online businesses are subject to the union of all the laws of all the countries whose citizens can reach them?! That's ri…

>Do EU businesses follow Iranian regulations?

Of course, if they want to do business in Iran. The same goes for every company and country. Don't you believe me?

Go to your iPhone's Settings-> General -> About -> Legal -> Regulatory

There you'll see which regulation Apple follows. Despite being an US based company, Apple complies with the regulations of Canada, Europe, Japan, Singapure, Russia etc.

How do you even imagine that a company will be doing business in one country byt will be excepted from the regulations because it's based in some other country? That would not be possible, companies would simply move to the least regulated place with the lowest taxes. Oh and they do that wherever possible(i.e sell to EU from Ireland).

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Post by tracker1 »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #165
tracker1 wrote: post #116

Honest hypothetical question... my website is in the US, my servers in the US, why would I care about the GDPR?

You should ask an attorney, not take random advice from the internet. But since you asked, here’s some random advice that HN will hate but can’t refute: you should ignore it. You shouldn’t misuse user data, but that’s always been true. But you shouldn’t worry about the latest laws or regulations from any countries that have no effective jurisdiction over you, even if they claim to. If New Zealand sees a blog post of…

Frankly, I don't really collect user data that isn't effectively public... I've run a telnet BBS and thinking of throwing it up again, and like most developers have a few ideas on creating something. I don't do metrics tracking, but might throw up something like google analytics, or even adds in a game/web-app.

In the end, I frankly don't even like using passwords, I'd rather just have users use SSO from one of so many provider options. One of my criticisms early on of FB is they didn't have an early option to JUST get the real name and email address of their users. That's all most of these identity providers should give... enough to shoot a notification email and know the name of the person.

In the end though, who knows... working on something now, I may comply as much as possible just to be nice. Exported data will only have hashed IDs of "friend" accounts, with everything else effectively public.

I generally try to do the right thing in what I do always. It gets harder in a politically charged society at large.

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

icebraining wrote: post #40
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #26

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IANAL No, coupling is forbidden. A 20 page, non-legalese EULA is allowed if you don't couple acceptance to using your site. "You need to individually opt-in to every single use case" No. But I would be happy for your source on that. You can't change the usage purpose after collecting, but if you declare what you do before (20 pages EULA) data collection, you're fine. "and you need to consent to every transfer to each…

I would be happy for your source on that. It's in the "Guidelines for Consent" document, in "3.1.3 Granularity": "A service may involve multiple processing operations for more than one purpose. In such cases, the data subjects should be free to choose which purpose they accept, rather than having to consent to a bundle of processing purposes." And they give an example: "Within the same consent request a retailer asks…

Looks like we're both right, if you base your legality on consent, each case needs to be presented on their own.

If you do not base it on consent, which many lawyers in Germany say you should only as a last resort, you can have a large declaration.

Just as I've predicted, the Washington Post implemented a click-through EULA.

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