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Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by dang »

throwaway974 wrote: post #456
bo1024 wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the 1-3 person startup's application is geared around personal information and it needs a complex privacy policy to describe what it does with data, then yes, it will have to work very hard to comply with GDPR, but that will also result in meaningful improvements in privacy and data control for its customers. Do you have examples of startups where data is not a core business concern, who still find it very onerous…

Here's an example: I have a profitable, bootstrapped SaaS business based in US . It's not based on ads or selling data. I don't even have a freemium plan. Only a limited free trial after which you have to start paying. It's a trivial application that stores mostly already public data. Only email is required to login so that I can send password reset and other such communication. I've been talking to a very well known…

Would you please stop copy-pasting the same thing in multiple threads? You've done it 5 times. That's particularly abusive.

It strictly lowers the signal/noise ratio of this site, meaning it's just what we don't want here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by merinowool »

hackeraccount wrote: post #477
tommorris wrote: post #230

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I was thinking about getting in to the car market but all these pesky requirements that I sell a car with airbags and seatbelts and fuel efficiency compliance are just there to protect existing incumbents.

What if - hypothetically - you came up with something safer then airbag & seatbelt? Even if all your customers found it to be self-evidently true that it was safer the only thing that would matter would be if the regulator thought it was safer. A regulator who is likely controlled by the incumbents. Now with something like car safety it's easy to say - no one will come up with something like this or if they do then t…

Not only that - this is great weapon to shut down websites that are against current political agenda since virtually every site could be found non complaint.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by dang »

openIce wrote: post #487
jimmaswell wrote: post #473

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Exactly. The most basic/outrageous example: anyone in the EU who installs Apache and leaves it in its default configuration which logs all page visits indefinitely is now a criminal. Spin up a DO/Linode/etc. instance and apt-get install apache2? You're now theoretically liable for a 20 million Euro fine.

This is the most retarded comment I have read today. Literally everything you say is false

We ban accounts that post like this. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by DanBC »

jimmaswell wrote: post #498
openIce wrote: post #487

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This is the most retarded comment I have read today. Literally everything you say is false

Are you disputing that GDPR disallows you from retaining visitor IPs, especially without explicit consent?

Consent is one basis for gathering personal information. It's only one, there are five others. Consent isn't always needed.

The fine for this would not be €20m either.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by merinowool »

lmkg wrote: post #246
philipov wrote: post #74

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So you're saying that if I block my site to EU IPs, and someone uses a VPN to look like they're coming from the US and bypass that, they can then sue me under the GDPR? No way.

The relevant part of GDPR is Recital 23. https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-23/ Short version: GDPR does not apply if you happen to collect data on a few EU residents by accident (assuming you're not otherwise based in the EU).

This is only your opinion. It doesn't say that on the page you pasted. To be complaint you probably must clearly state that the service is not for EU resident and ask them to leave. Even that could be too little.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by slavik81 »

fixermark wrote: post #449
maushu wrote: post #320

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I was surprised when my adblocker didn't bleep once. This is like looking what the internet could be. It could've been great.

Of course, that vision of what the internet could be never really answered the question of where the money was coming from to pay for the servers that are delivering that content.

USA Today originally distributed their advertisements on paper without any user tracking. I don't see why advertising without tracking is so unthinkable today.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by merinowool »

taysic wrote: post #520
roel_v wrote: post #510

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Maybe. That's entirely orthogonal to the question whether or not the person who's server it is, is affected by the GDPR though.

But if that person could get sent to jail for that, then I don't see why they would file a complaint.

If they are from poor EU village that could be tempting to get to US jail to learn language and have free food and bed.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by merinowool »

voidr wrote: post #75
firic wrote: post #10

Things like this will test how much EU citizens value their privacy. Of course there will be some sites they will not be able to visit but time will show if they are okay with that. These rules are very similar to rules limiting loans. No matter how desperate a person is and how low credit they have, in the US you can't give them a loan for above a certain amount of interest. That could be terrible for a poor person…

> the result will probably be that a lot of free websites ban EU users Good riddance, at least we know what websites we shouldn't have visited in the first place. > smaller companies take their place with products that either cost money or will be a bit worse. Or they will be better and still be free. News companies are dying, news is commodity, if I can't read something on the LA times, I'm sure I'll find that same…

Website could be compliant already, but don't want to spend money on an audit that would still be inconclusive as there is no official interpretation of the law.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by vidarh »

paulddraper wrote: post #279
hau wrote: post #208

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Can you back up such strong and broad claims with something?

It's hardly disputable that regulation creates barriers to entry. Nor it is disputable that barriers to entry limit competition. See everything from lemonade stands[1] to taxis[2] to banks[3]. What is disputable is whether in total a regulation has a net positive or negative effect. [1] http://www.newyorkcityfamily.com/2017/08/are-lemonade-stands... [2] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/uber-business-model-breaking-...…

That it can, sure. It can also reduce barriers to entry. E.g. entering the ISP market anywhere in the EU is vastly simpler than it was, since the incumbents have faced legal requirements to lease last mile capacity at regulated prices (e.g. in the UK you can go to OpenReach's site and download the wholesale price lists), while they can also lay their own cables if then can afford it.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by dmitriid »

Grue3 wrote: post #481
dmitriid wrote: post #186

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This "pet law" is the law of 500 million people, has been in effect for two years (two years was a grace period to comply with it), and exists exactly because shady businesses didn't even comply with existing data protection laws. It's not "bitter HN users". It's bitter European citizens. No wonder that it's mostly American companies who have the most trouble complying with it.

China has a billion people. I'm not seeing people urging everyone to comply with Chinese censorship laws for some reason.

There are very few Western companies in China. These companies go out of their way to comply with Chinese laws.
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