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It seems many people think content worth enjoying is somehow created and delivered freely.
Mmmm... and what about non-targeted ads ? I mean: GDPR didn't forbid money. Not even advertising. Only using personal informations without explicit consent... Please, don't be too ridiculous and stop watching FoxNews :-D
Behavioural targeting is fine!*
Contextual targeting is fine!
*In many circumstances.
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I was surprised when my adblocker didn't bleep once. This is like looking what the internet could be. It could've been great.
Of course, that vision of what the internet could be never really answered the question of where the money was coming from to pay for the servers that are delivering that content.
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Really? Do you have an EU representative for your MVP? Did you hire a legal team to review your site and write up your terms of service? Send me your MVP and I’ll show you 10 thing a that are wrong with it and if you are complaint somehow then I doubt the product will be viable at all.
So my MVP is an imaginary service that does X for you. It charges $5/month and it uses your email as the log in. It captures no data other than what you give it to do said service. Other than good data practices which should be followed anyway, please described the huge GDPR hurdles that will make this service not viable.
Then you have to figure out how much of the order history (up/downgrades etc.) you need to keep so you can keep track of who changed what in case of disputes, etc.
You need to keep track of payments and invoices for accounting and tax purposes, and of course accounting records must be immutable.
Then write documentation describing all the ways you process data and ensure you have a valid updated data privacy contract with all your service providers.
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Part of the reason for the failure of those other models is their need to compete with an exploitative ad driven model. When you remove the lowest common denominator, you make it is easier for the market to accomplish something better.
And the other part of that failure is people don't want to pay for content, games, etc. They want it all to be free.
On the other hand, there's quite a lot of evidence of successful businesses operating on a subscription model because they provide a good value proposition. Which leads me to conclude that your claim is simply false.
Also relevant: https://membershippuzzle.org/about/
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And how can be a business sustainable in this way?
> And how can be a business sustainable in this way? There are millions of businesses around the world that don't give a fig about European customers or the E.U. Hurts to hear it, but it's true. They manage to survive an thrive without any interaction with anyone in the E.E.A. It's a very European thing to think of the E.U. as the indispensable center of the world.
Huh? Culturally, that has absolutely not been my experience - quite the contrary.
In the case of the GDPR, it's simply a matter of "if you can't respect our citizen's basic rights, then we don't want to be doing business with you".
That has nothing to do with considering the EU to be the 'center of the world', and everything with setting the conditions for trading with it. You can either take or leave those.
On one hand I can understand why some orgs are having trouble with GDPR. On the other hand it’s pretty clear the actions of more than a few have gotten GDPR to where it is. My takeaway at the moment is something along the lines of this is why we can’t have nice things.
I attribute it to European jealously over american tech success. Hi tech success that flies in the face of their supposed social, cultural and moral superiority. User tracking is not really why we don't have nice things, look at the success of moviepass even after they publicly admitted what they were tracking. People want part of the spoils which is exactly the purpose of GDPR.
The EU isn't the US. This kind of misplaced pride is not a part of the culture in most of Europe.
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Then you don't understand the most fundamental thing about the GDPR: "Kopplungsverbot" (german privacy law had that for ages before GDPR). You can't force someone to consent to marketing because he wants to use your service. Everything that is not part of the core service needs consent that can be withdrawn at every time. The core service of facebook is access to the network, not that my data is processed to show me…
That is insane. As a private company they have the right to do business with whom they please. If a company refuses service because a potiential customer doesn't agree to their term, it is the companies right. No one is entitled to a good or service of some one else.
This kind of "corporations have absolute rights to do whatever they want as long as it's agreed to" stance is specific to the US. The rest of the Western world doesn't do that, and for very good reason - it makes for an extremely unhealthy society where corporations no longer act in the best interest of society.
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>I was thinking about getting in to the car market but all these pesky requirements that I sell a car with airbags and seatbelts and fuel efficiency compliance are just there to protect existing incumbents. I think by going to cars to prove your point proves how ridiculous regulation for websites are. For some reason there exists a group of people that believe that websites like facebook need regulations that are as…
> People die from cars that are badly designed. People don't die from facebook (yes I'm sure you can find some contrived example.) I think the public, and much of HN, disagrees and is beginning to believe that the lack of privacy is undermining democracy, liberty, and human rights.
There are actually some historic examples. A university once performed scientific research on a minority group. Then the Nazis acquired the list and murdered the participants.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwiss...
Obviously that's at risk of happening again, but machine learning and AI are risk of learning to be discriminatory by training on data sets resulting from historic and modern discrimination.
When applying for jobs, it may be possible to enter somebody's info into a next generation background check software to get a % probability of the candidate voting for a specific political party, and declining to call/interview based on that alone.
Even when it's not intentionally discriminatory, this is leading to a future where the teller says "sorry, you were declined. I don't really know why, the computer just made the decision". Where's the accountability?
In credit reports, I can at least request my credit report and understand how to improve my score or dispute line items.
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> https://eu.usatoday.com/ is fantastic, loads instantly, no clutter, smooth experience, I love it. I am willing to believe it to be someones idea of sarcasm, lets strip our website of all the "goodies", give viewers poorer experience and watch the cries!!1 Except its actually better, and I wouldnt be surprised if it vanishes really quickly once they realize it backfired by reminding users how fast and clean web once…
Sure, it's great until the whole thing is shut down because there's no funding.
Might be a little more lucrative than juice bag startups.
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Sure, it's great until the whole thing is shut down because there's no funding.
Surely the greatest innovators in Silicon Valley could focus on creating sustainable business models that don't rely on data harvesting? Necessity is the mother of invention. Might be a little more lucrative than juice bag startups.