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Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by colanderman »

p49k wrote: post #81
tannhaeuser wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new Reddit React site hijacks right-click so you can't even open your responses/user page in a separate tab. Fail. This is how Slashdot.org lost their user base. Who in their right mind would use React for a content-based site? But reddit seems to know they suck at websites: you can still access " rel="nofollow">https://old.reddit.com/r/ and even /.compact" rel="nofollow">https://old.reddit.com/r/ /.compact for t…

> Who in their right mind would use React for a content-based site? People who are also writing content-based apps and want to write once but still obtain native speeds on mobile? The lack of right-click functionality is just bad design, not React's fault.

> still obtain native speeds on mobile

The irony is, Reddit on mobile is god-awful slow. It takes a good 5-10 seconds of displaying a spinner just to show me a kilobyte of text (self-post or linked comment). I no longer click Reddit links on mobile for this reason.

Reddit has got to have talented people working for it. But whatever they're doing that results in a 10-second spinner to display pure text is "Mongo DB is web-scale" levels of comedy.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by nunodonato »

digi_owl wrote: post #75
saalweachter wrote: post #4

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It kind of makes me want to throw away the Internet and start over from scratch.

The net, nah. The web, perhaps. Maybe time to take a new look at gopher and newsgroups?

I miss newsgroups so much. But different times.. i dont think it would work again, we need something new

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by seba_dos1 »

1over137 wrote: post #139
seba_dos1 wrote: post #27

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With Privacy Badger, uBlock Origin, DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials and Firefox' Tracking Protection available, there's little reason to keep using Ghostery (and Adblock Plus as well, FWIW). I also recommend Decentraleyes, Smart Referer, First Party Isolation and Facebook Container. Plus of course HTTPS Everywhere. It's hard for me to imagine productive browsing without most of those addons now.

Good lord, what's that, 10 plugins?! Sure, we nerds could do that, but god help normal people! :(

That's what the Web is like these days, unfortunately. Browsing with JS enabled on my Nokia N900 with 256MB RAM is mostly impossible, even though it should be much more than enough to display most of the content. We nerds with our heavily configured browsers often overlook that, but regular folks have to live with it.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by white-flame »

dominotw wrote: post #38
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

I'm honestly starting to reach the opinion we should all be VPNing our web traffic through Europe so we can pick up more of the benefits.

Is anyone concerned that we are starting to replicate real world boundaries on the internet. Internet was supposed to free us from the limitations of the real world. World of internet was supposed to be the one where you can fluidly switch between your preceptions of self, become a new person whenever you felt like, leave your past behind. This was supposed to be a new world where people see themselves differently. N…

It comes down to one thing: Money.

The older internet was not a network of for-profit users trying to rent-seek on every digital interface & every page view. Standards were created by academics, internet committees, and concerned & involved users, trying to figure out what would work best as a resilient distributed system.

Now what goes on online is defined by the rent-seekers, the data pimps, and the predators. Their actions have real-world, legal consequences which ruin it for everybody, and their size & clout overwhelms the decisions of average people.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by white-flame »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #105
_bxg1 wrote: post #86

Websites can be "documents" or they can be "apps". It's great that we now have the option to build the latter, but far too many things that should be simple documents (news sites, I'm looking at you) are trying to be apps, and it's virtually always a worse user experience, setting aside the cost in load time, memory, and battery usage. I'm saying this as a JavaScript developer.

The market has spoken. No seriously, if it sucks so much, why haven't users responded by going somewhere else, thus incentivizing sites to behave well?

A properly working market requires informed decisions. Internet privacy invasions are not something that people are well-informed about at a practical level. So GDPR is actually helping to restore the market.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by white-flame »

rock_hard wrote: post #32
Zash wrote: post #31

I would be very happy if everyone followed this example. Think of this as "modern" from now on. Return to the old, simple web that I know we all loved. Keep the lessons in usability and design learned in the last decade or two.

Now we only need to find somebody to pay for that simple web....

It's a heck of a lot cheaper than it was in decades past, and things like torrents and ipfs can help eliminate high-cost choke points.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by rainbowmverse »

acdha wrote: post #122
ashleyn wrote: post #101

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>implying Congress will do anything other than continue to line the pockets of rich cronies The federal government in the US is profoundly dysfunctional to the point where this isn't worth the time or money. However, it may be worth the effort on the state level.

> The federal government in the US is profoundly dysfunctional to the point where this isn't worth the time or money If everyone who says that voted in the primaries and mid-term elections it wouldn’t be true. The party of dysfunction is in charge now but only because so many people choose not to vote.

There's a host of reasons why the dysfunction goes all the way down to the low efficacy of voting, but HN is notoriously unable to handle these kinds of discussions without several 500-post demon threads.

For example, people tend to get stuck in tribal thinking where one party or the other is to blame when the seeds of the problems go all the way back to the founding of the country. It's hard to shake people out of it so they can have a productive discussion even when everyone's trying to be fair and honest.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by zephyrfalcon »

rayiner wrote: post #67
dominotw wrote: post #38

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Is anyone concerned that we are starting to replicate real world boundaries on the internet. Internet was supposed to free us from the limitations of the real world. World of internet was supposed to be the one where you can fluidly switch between your preceptions of self, become a new person whenever you felt like, leave your past behind. This was supposed to be a new world where people see themselves differently. N…

> World of internet was supposed to be the one where you can fluidly switch between your preceptions of self, become a new person whenever you felt like, leave your past behind. This was supposed to be a new world where people see themselves differently. Since when? The Internet was designed to be a robust way for Americans to communicate in the event of a nuclear attack.

Apparently that's a myth, see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET#Debate_on_design_goals

I've also read about it in the book "Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The Origins of the Internet". In the prologue it mentions:

“Rumors had persisted for years that the ARPANET had been built to protect national security in the face of a nuclear attack. It was a myth that had gone unchallenged long enough to become widely accepted as fact.”

“Lately, the mainstream press had picked up the grim myth of a nuclear survival scenario and had presented it as an established truth. When Time magazine committed the error, Taylor wrote a letter to the editor, but the magazine didn’t print it. The effort to set the record straight was like chasing the wind; [Bob] Taylor was beginning to feel like a crank.”

Some other sources seem to confirm this, e.g. http://www.alphr.com/features/369490/top-ten-internet-histor...

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by hedora »

wlll wrote: post #61
dominotw wrote: post #52

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> We haven't "created countries on the Internet". We have though. Your world on the internet looks different based on citizenship( ipAdress) and ppl have to get a visa (VPN) to go that country on the internet. People hated it when China did this but somehow EU doing this is somehow commendable. Now people are europeans, americans, indians ect on the internet. I just want to be a human being.

I feel like you need to explain how China's great firewall (I assume this is what you referenced) is the same as the GDPR? One prevents people in China from accessing stuff the government doesn't like, the other prevents companies from treating your data like shit. > Your world on the internet looks different based on citizenship Yes, my world on the Internet looks a hell of a lot better than the Internet as seen fro…

If you follow the money, they are similar. Both make it harder for the incumbent, US based monopolies to compete with home-grown services.

Also, they both massively break the “end-to-end” principle, since your geographic location (and therefore ISP) has a big impact on what data gets served.

(The differences between the two are arguably more important, but they are obvious, and have been discussed to death, so I won’t bother pointing them out)

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