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Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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That's not how jurisdiction normally works. A French citizen working within the US for a US company can't demand that they follow French employment regulations.

France could absolutely pass such a law, companies would either have to comply or stop doing business in France.

Of course! But hiring a US resident who happens to also be a French citizen doesn't count as doing business in France.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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> hire an EU Representative It's called Data Protection Officer and you only need to appoint one if processing personal data is your core business, which is reasonable. https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-da... And yes, I expect the EU to enforce the consent rules. It's very central to the GDPR.

>It's called Data Protection Officer and you only need to appoint one if processing personal data is your core business, which is reasonable. Not commenting on the validity of this statement but it's interesting how I can tell from which continent you are from just by you saying that the regulation forcing a business to hire DPO is reasonable.

You don't have to hire anyone. You just have to appoint someone.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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> You assume that just because someone doesn’t want to got through all the hassle of being GDPR compliant that the website is somehow bad? If they are not collecting any personal data, there is no hassle. Do you think it's somehow bad for a car manufacturer to not want to go through the hassle of making their cars conform to the safety standards? > Among other things this includes setting up an EU represeneitive Cita…

> Do you think it's somehow bad for a car manufacturer to not want to go through the hassle of making their cars conform to the safety standards? Ah yes, the old "all regulations are equal" argument. It should come as no surprise to you that people view safety regulations on automobiles as vastly different than regulations on what a company can do with data about you.

And there are people that think that seat-belt laws are an affront to human dignity. What's the point?

Safety regulations exist because people wanted them, and the same is true here for privacy and data protections. Unless you can convince EU citizens en mass that they don't want the rights and protections afforded to them by this law then it really doesn't matter what anyone in particular person thinks.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

Wow, you just made my day. It's so fast. I don't think I've ever experienced such a fast latency in a nontrivial website. I was around since the NCSA Mosaic times and I remember a much simpler Web than today, but at that point computers and connections were rather crappy so it wasn't that fast either.

A pity I'm not from the US so most of the news aren't that interesting to me, I hope some European news outlet follows suit (although it won't happen).

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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There's no scenario where the 'open' Internet doesn't rip apart. Globally there will be dozens of GDPR type regulations, and that's just covering privacy. There will be a lot more for economic rules, cultural rules (eg governing speech), etc. Want to operate a service in 100+ countries? You'll have to comply with thousands of rules. Only giant companies will be able to do it. It's already extremely difficult to do. I…

I really think the EU guaranteed US tech dominance with this law. How many months of work did the EU just add to getting out an MVP? How are EU startups even going to do AB testing to improve their product without collecting user data?

Huh? Seems the opposite to me. US startups are the ones balkanizing, meaning home grown solutions to the EU will come about, ending US tech dominance.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Of course, that vision of what the internet could be never really answered the question of where the money was coming from to pay for the servers that are delivering that content.

USA Today originally distributed their advertisements on paper without any user tracking. I don't see why advertising without tracking is so unthinkable today.

I'm of the opinion that at some point USA Today had demographic data on it's users. Maybe polled directly, or based on a list of names in their subscriber database cross referenced with some other database.

The idea that "user tracking" is now happening on the internet and not in print isn't true. Yes, internet tracking can follow you specifically, but that's because the systems have gotten faster and more connected.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Business don't comply with regulations because it is easy, but because it's needed to do business. If a service didn't had a big user base in Europe, most countries don't speak English, it may be cheaper to remove the service. The New York Times or The New Yorker that even have physical copies available in Europe work as usual. I work in a gambling company and this is our day to day business. To enter a new market me…

Regulations tend to favor incumbents, decreasing competition, and thereby increase monopoly and creating central hubs of systemic risk. There is no free lunch with one-size-fits-all rule making. Unfortunately regulators think there is.

> Regulations tend to favor incumbents, decreasing competition, and thereby increase monopoly and creating central hubs of systemic risk.

Have there been studies on this?

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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post #558

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This is only your opinion. It doesn't say that on the page you pasted. To be complaint you probably must clearly state that the service is not for EU resident and ask them to leave. Even that could be too little.

"...the mere accessibility of the controller’s, processor’s or an intermediary’s website in the Union [...] is insufficient to ascertain such intention"

This only applies to sub a (of art 3 para 2). So no, this quote does not confirm your assertion.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

> https://eu.usatoday.com/ is fantastic, loads instantly, no clutter, smooth experience, I love it. I am willing to believe it to be someones idea of sarcasm, lets strip our website of all the "goodies", give viewers poorer experience and watch the cries!!1 Except its actually better, and I wouldnt be surprised if it vanishes really quickly once they realize it backfired by reminding users how fast and clean web once…

Sure, it's great until the whole thing is shut down because there's no funding.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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post #140

Business don't comply with regulations because it is easy, but because it's needed to do business. If a service didn't had a big user base in Europe, most countries don't speak English, it may be cheaper to remove the service. The New York Times or The New Yorker that even have physical copies available in Europe work as usual. I work in a gambling company and this is our day to day business. To enter a new market me…

Regulations tend to favor incumbents, decreasing competition, and thereby increase monopoly and creating central hubs of systemic risk. There is no free lunch with one-size-fits-all rule making. Unfortunately regulators think there is.

Regulation is essential to avoid having corporations run a country into the ground.
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