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GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#133

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This reads to me like a warmonger justifying innocent casualties. Surely you don't believe this only takes out the bad do you?

> This reads to me like a warmonger justifying innocent casualties. Surely you don't believe this only takes out the bad do you? How would it take out GDPR compliant websites? It they're not complaint, they're not exactly "innocent."

Because the risk and costs of compliance are borne by all, not just the non-compliant. I would hope that "but laws only affect the bad guys" or "if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" would no longer be reasonable arguments these days.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#134
There are so many wrong things with this approach. First, what do you do when you have existing users, delete them? Second, I believe the law protects EU citizens regardless of where they are. If you're an EU citizen and register for a service somewhere in the US using VPN or while physically being outside the EU, that service/company will still need to comply. The safest approach is to comply. We're a tiny startup, but we decided to bite the bullet and comply because its much easier and quite frankly better for all in the long run. Oh and, disclosure sets you free.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#135
post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My next sentence is literally a third option, describing what happens with geo-blocked content.

And that it isn't even an option to recognize a bad law and repeal it, even if it had good intentions, speaks volumes.

As an EU citizen, I don't think the law is bad but you are free to be upset about it, of course.

Please respect our laws and privacy or don't do business with us. We will be very sorry if your product is irreplaceable or we will use a competing product that complies with GDPR.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#136
I'm in the EU, and a couple of the corporate VPNs I have used here have had their exit IP in the U.S. or Canada. Which means that when I'm at work, I appear to be in Seattle, and these sites are not blocked.

Based just on that, I'd argue that "Blocking 500M Users Easier Than Complying with GDPR" is probably not even a true statement.

I doubt EU regulators will go after these sites because they really aren't that consequential, but I wonder if setting up an IP block isn't just painting a target on yourself. It's basically a statement that the company was and still is violating GDPR.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#137

Honest hypothetical question... my website is in the US, my servers in the US, why would I care about the GDPR?

Does your website serve users from EU region or do you intend to block incoming traffic form EU? If you serve them then you might want to collect some data points about them. It is like being on the internet you are by default given a chance to operate business (website in this case) in whatever country a user access your website from. You are not going to open a franchise in Germany and not abide by their local laws concerning about German shoppers right?

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#138
They claim that everyone had a lot of time, but what about the 1-3 person startup that’s been around for 4-5 years who is just getting by and didn’t have the resources to re-engineer their entire application or to write up a complex privacy policy or hire an EU Representative (Yes, apparently that is required as well). If the EU does clamp down on forced consent I think the long tail of small startups and publications and side projects will simply block EU visitors because they won’t have the means to become compliant.

I’d be interested to hear how problematic this is for new startups who are building GDPR complianance into the systems from scratch. It would seem to amount to needed bespoke permissioning for every user because forced consent is not permitted (although being widely used).

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#139
This seems 100% rational.

If the sites determined that they cannot or will not show ads in compliance with GDPR, then why would they pay for the bandwidth it takes, knowing they can't monetize it without being in violation?

It's the equivalent of the whole of the EU putting uBlock on their computers. Companies that make the majority of their money on advertising are responding.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#140
Business don't comply with regulations because it is easy, but because it's needed to do business.

If a service didn't had a big user base in Europe, most countries don't speak English, it may be cheaper to remove the service.

The New York Times or The New Yorker that even have physical copies available in Europe work as usual.

I work in a gambling company and this is our day to day business. To enter a new market means to follow a new set of regulations. To do the adaptation or not is an strategic decision based in complexity, expected revenue and other factors. GDPR is just another regulation to add to the long list related to tax evasion, responsible gambling, fair play, etc.

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