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Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by semigroupoid »

hesarenu wrote: post #99
flohofwoe wrote: post #48

Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

There are ads. Just above the footer - 'Ad Content by Taboola'. I am accessing it from India. Edit: There many other ads as well not just from taboola.

Those ads are on www.usatoday.com, not eu.usatoday.com.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by kodablah »

mrtksn wrote: post #41
firic wrote: post #10

Things like this will test how much EU citizens value their privacy. Of course there will be some sites they will not be able to visit but time will show if they are okay with that. These rules are very similar to rules limiting loans. No matter how desperate a person is and how low credit they have, in the US you can't give them a loan for above a certain amount of interest. That could be terrible for a poor person…

So EU citizens will either revolt and destroy EU or read their news from somewhere else? More likely, will do the usual thing people do for geo-locked content: Use proxy or pirate until a convenient solution takes off. That convenient solution will be GDPR compliance by the offender or a competitor. I mean, mild annoyance is nothing compared to the annoyance of war thorn continent, I wouldn't bet too much on the dest…

> So EU citizens will either revolt and destroy EU or read their news from somewhere else?

Those are the only two options? Now that I know that, instead of what a practical person might deem as an option which is to repeal the law, the EU and GDPR proponents' mindsets make a lot more sense. I often wondered why new legislation was piled on older legislation that wasn't even enforced then, and why other statues wrt cookies and what not cannot be seen by legislators as more bad than good and worth removing. Now I know.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by tobltobs »

tzfld wrote: post #53
flohofwoe wrote: post #48

Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

And how can be a business sustainable in this way?

Replace ads with sponsored content. They still will get money for ads, but they even will save money because they get free content. /s

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by mrtksn »

kodablah wrote: post #112
mrtksn wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So EU citizens will either revolt and destroy EU or read their news from somewhere else? More likely, will do the usual thing people do for geo-locked content: Use proxy or pirate until a convenient solution takes off. That convenient solution will be GDPR compliance by the offender or a competitor. I mean, mild annoyance is nothing compared to the annoyance of war thorn continent, I wouldn't bet too much on the dest…

> So EU citizens will either revolt and destroy EU or read their news from somewhere else? Those are the only two options? Now that I know that, instead of what a practical person might deem as an option which is to repeal the law, the EU and GDPR proponents' mindsets make a lot more sense. I often wondered why new legislation was piled on older legislation that wasn't even enforced then, and why other statues wrt co…

My next sentence is literally a third option, describing what happens with geo-blocked content.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by kodablah »

yulaow wrote: post #39
hartator wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the whole point of GDPR, selectively kill the web businesses they want. BBC will never be concerned.

If those businesses are heavy shadow tracking/ads companies which don't even know which user data are they collecting, to who are they sending them and for which final use, man, I am so damn happy.

This reads to me like a warmonger justifying innocent casualties. Surely you don't believe this only takes out the bad do you?

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by elorant »

tzfld wrote: post #53
flohofwoe wrote: post #48

Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

And how can be a business sustainable in this way?

By hosting non-tracking ads. Like they used to be before Google started this whole profiling menace.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by kodablah »

_mlxl wrote: post #9

Blocking access at geographic level across pretty clear signal they don't care about users/readers in those regions (I think it's hard to argue otherwise, the law has been coming for 2 years). Obviously they cater to people interested in local news in those regions. However, I hope they will rectify and allow access again for EU users at some point soon. It seems to go against the idea of a borderless internet, and I…

> However, I hope they will rectify and allow access again for EU users at some point soon.

Honestly, I don't. I don't want this precedent of government overreach to stand. I wish more international companies would stop doing business with US citizens for the same reasons.

> It seems to go against the idea of a borderless internet, and I blame the companies for that, not the EU.

You don't blame border-based rules for harming the traditional borderless approach? How illogical.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by [deleted] »

chopin wrote: post #83
ghaff wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The relevant language is in recital 24. “Factors such as the use of a language or a currency generally used in one or more Member States with the possibility of ordering goods and services in that other language, or the mentioning of customers or users who are in the Union, may make it apparent that the controller envisages offering goods or services to data subjects in the Union.” If the Chicago Tribune doesn't envi…

I've been served ads on US outlets for products which clearly target my home market (Germany). This will make a hard time arguing that you are not targeting that audience. In my opinion, if you serve ads on your site which target EU consumers, you're doing business here. I don't think it matters whether you do that through a third party. By blocking EU ip-ranges, that may change, I admit that. However, if by other me…

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Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by kodablah »

mrtksn wrote: post #114
kodablah wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So EU citizens will either revolt and destroy EU or read their news from somewhere else? Those are the only two options? Now that I know that, instead of what a practical person might deem as an option which is to repeal the law, the EU and GDPR proponents' mindsets make a lot more sense. I often wondered why new legislation was piled on older legislation that wasn't even enforced then, and why other statues wrt co…

My next sentence is literally a third option, describing what happens with geo-blocked content.

And that it isn't even an option to recognize a bad law and repeal it, even if it had good intentions, speaks volumes.
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