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Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by danaris »

drexlspivey wrote: post #87
thvasilo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is GDPR compliant, the choice is either track or go to another website. For the time being I added these to uBlock: www.theverge.com##.privacy-consent-notice www.theverge.com###privacy-consent-ui www.theverge.com###privacyConsent Not sure if I'm now doing something illegal or they are, since I never consented but they're probably tracking my visits now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How can you even prove that a client consented? Do you present a log of the request or something?

Well, obviously, since the only way to view the site is to accept, the fact that he viewed the site is incontrovertible proof that he accepted!

/s

(though honestly it wouldn't surprise me if they tried that argument...)

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by signal11 »

danso wrote: post #138
matwood wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is, but the way the Apple app store rules work is that if you are purchasing something for use in the current app, it must go through the IAP API and give Apple their cut. Purchases for things outside the app (like physical items) are fine. The way this works with Amazon, is in the Amazon store app a user can buy ebooks/audiobooks (along with anything else Amazon sells), and then those books are sent to the Kin…

Why is the Amazon Store app not subject to the Apple fee? I’ve always bought stuff via browser and Amazon.com

The Amazon store app doesn't sell anything which might compete with iBooks or the iTunes store, i.e. - no digital books, music or movies.

In my other comment on this thread I've pointed out how this creates hilariously bad UX for iOS users.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by ensignavenger »

tramGG wrote: post #67
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

"Amazon will stop selling Nest smart home devices, escalating its war with Google" http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-wont-sell-nest-product... Sounds like the same behavior. Google has been known to replace whole other start-up services or de-list them.

I can buy a Nest Thermostat from any of thousands of websites and it would work just fine in my home. I can't even get a Steam Link app for free from anyone and have it work effortlessly on my iOS device. These two are not the same, no matter which side you are on.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by bluthru »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

Amazon used to not carry Chromecast or Apple TV: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/12/19/amazon-s...

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by jenscow »

jrs95 wrote: post #132
beavis2 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite the two companies collaborating on an app based on HTML5, Microsoft's app is still breaking YouTube's terms of use. "Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience, and has instead re-released a YouTube app that violates our Terms of Service - It has been disabled. We value our broad developer community and therefore ask everyone to adhere to the same guide…

Google intentionally ignores issues Edge/IE users have with their products because they want them to switch to Chrome. This isn’t an issue of Microsoft making “browser upgrades”, it’s an issue of Google developing to and supporting Chrome and ignoring the rest of the web.

Your gripe with Google can be firmly applied to Microsoft.

However, I believe this instance was more a case of Microsoft scraping/ripping the youtube site, rather than continuing to collaborate with Google.

I'm sure if you or I did something like that, it would be blocked.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

acous wrote: post #58
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #18

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Theres even an open-source version in Java called Moonlight or so.

I believe Moonlight uses Nvidia's GameStream protocol, so it's not quite the same (you need an Nvidia card to use it).

You're right, I confused those two.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by jenscow »

fron wrote: post #144
jrs95 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google intentionally ignores issues Edge/IE users have with their products because they want them to switch to Chrome. This isn’t an issue of Microsoft making “browser upgrades”, it’s an issue of Google developing to and supporting Chrome and ignoring the rest of the web.

I don't blame anyone if they don't want to support Edge/IE. Microsoft's browsers are horrible to develop for. Personally I'd be much happier if more of my users would switch to Chrome.

I understand how you feel, but no.

Having been a FF/NS/Mozilla browser user since the 90s, I know it's not nice to be treated like a 2nd class citizen. However, unlike the current Edge/IE users, I made a choice.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by usrusr »

LUmBULtERA wrote: post #2

They've just made a huge mistake. Upset the hardcore gamers market to stop essentially a remote desktop app?

Angering gamers might not be all that bad though, as it would bolster the "Apple is for serious creative work" part of their brand identity.

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Post by matwood »

danso wrote: post #138
matwood wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is, but the way the Apple app store rules work is that if you are purchasing something for use in the current app, it must go through the IAP API and give Apple their cut. Purchases for things outside the app (like physical items) are fine. The way this works with Amazon, is in the Amazon store app a user can buy ebooks/audiobooks (along with anything else Amazon sells), and then those books are sent to the Kin…

Why is the Amazon Store app not subject to the Apple fee? I’ve always bought stuff via browser and Amazon.com

As I edited above, it looks like Amazon changed this (or maybe it was always like that since I always use the website). According the Apple documentation though, a user should be allowed to bypass IAP for purchases that will be consumed outside the application. See:

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#in-...

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#phy...

Admittedly it has been a few years since I was deeply in iOS development dealing with this.

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