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Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by criley2 »

salvar wrote: post #120
criley2 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes no sense. Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. That's how they pay for the "free" content you wish to consume without paying. Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? It seems like a hard block on all Europeans visiting websites like this would be better (and totally legal, these are private servers with a terms of use, accessin…

> Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? Yes, I believe that was the stated purpose of the legislation.

Based on the entitled behavior in this thread, I seriously consider it.

It it a cultural thing to feel entitled to other peoples work? Or just the agegroup of people on hacker news?

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by jrs95 »

beavis2 wrote: post #109
int_19h wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

Despite the two companies collaborating on an app based on HTML5, Microsoft's app is still breaking YouTube's terms of use. "Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience, and has instead re-released a YouTube app that violates our Terms of Service - It has been disabled. We value our broad developer community and therefore ask everyone to adhere to the same guide…

Google intentionally ignores issues Edge/IE users have with their products because they want them to switch to Chrome. This isn’t an issue of Microsoft making “browser upgrades”, it’s an issue of Google developing to and supporting Chrome and ignoring the rest of the web.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by nmca »

thvasilo wrote: post #42
swebs wrote: post #13

Wow, when trying to access this from the EU, I'm blocked by this huge pop-up telling me to either accept their tracking or fuck off. The cookie policy makes no mention on how to access the site without clicking "I accept", it just directs you to optout.aboutads.info. https://i.imgur.com/dK73MUi.png Is this really GDPR compliant?

I don't think this is GDPR compliant, the choice is either track or go to another website. For the time being I added these to uBlock: www.theverge.com##.privacy-consent-notice www.theverge.com###privacy-consent-ui www.theverge.com###privacyConsent Not sure if I'm now doing something illegal or they are, since I never consented but they're probably tracking my visits now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Can also confirm that this was easily done with uBlock using the "block element" right click option.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by AsyncAwait »

rafadc wrote: post #3
LUmBULtERA wrote: post #2

They've just made a huge mistake. Upset the hardcore gamers market to stop essentially a remote desktop app?

I guess the problem is the store. The app allows to access valve's store (which is far cheaper than games in the apple store). If they remove the ability to buy games I am sure the remote desktop app would be ok. I am guessing anyway

Valve has said that they disabled the store and got blocked anyway.

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Post by nodja »

int_19h wrote: post #97
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

This is a bad example. MS was just using the video stream directly instead of using the youtube player code that takes care of things like annotations, ads, cards, etc.

A better example is the amazon-google kerfuffle over chromecast/amazon devices. Can't recall who "started" it, but the end results is that amazon doesn't sell chromecast/google home, and google blocks youtube from amazon devices. Yes amazon initially did like MS, but eventually had a proper implementation and google still blocked it.

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Post by danso »

int_19h wrote: post #97
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

How is that a monopoly? I guess I may be in the minority but I have never used an app for YouTube on a desktop environment.

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Post by krapp »

criley2 wrote: post #126
Maarten88 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. Well, too bad, that business model has just become illegal in EU. Publishers will have to make do with old style banners or ads. They can still target ads using the content of the page, assuming readers of the article will be interested in the subject. ... or get consent in a compliant way. Success with that!

Or Europeans will have to do with paygates and subscription fees. There is no "making due". These companies are run very thin already. There is already much less talent, much less pay, and much less quality than most of us would want. There is a breaking point for providing free content on the internet, and so many publishers are hitting it today WITH TRACKING. So many sites have moved to a X free per month with subs…

>Enjoy your subscription models, because there is no "making due" left, we've already used it all up.

Fair enough. Sites will either have to provide content worth subscribing to, or else go out of business, and users can still block advertising and tracking and users maintain control over their personal data. It's all win for the consumer.

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Post by danso »

matwood wrote: post #117
jakubp wrote: post #80

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Is there Amazon Kindle app for iOS? If there is, isn't it the exact same type of app as Steam Link? Access your content library, buy more content. If Apple lets Amazon do this (presumably because Amazon is too big to ignore) and won't let Steam do it (because Steam isn't big enough), then this feels more like a cartel than monopoly.

There is, but the way the Apple app store rules work is that if you are purchasing something for use in the current app, it must go through the IAP API and give Apple their cut. Purchases for things outside the app (like physical items) are fine. The way this works with Amazon, is in the Amazon store app a user can buy ebooks/audiobooks (along with anything else Amazon sells), and then those books are sent to the Kin…

Why is the Amazon Store app not subject to the Apple fee? I’ve always bought stuff via browser and Amazon.com

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Post by jrs95 »

letsgetphysITal wrote: post #57
thvasilo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is GDPR compliant, the choice is either track or go to another website. For the time being I added these to uBlock: www.theverge.com##.privacy-consent-notice www.theverge.com###privacy-consent-ui www.theverge.com###privacyConsent Not sure if I'm now doing something illegal or they are, since I never consented but they're probably tracking my visits now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Submit a complaint. You didn't accept the terms, and they breached GDPR by not offering an alternative without tracking.

Wow at first I thought this sounded like a decent law but the more I see the shittier it seems

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Post by salvar »

criley2 wrote: post #131
salvar wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do Europeans really think GDPR is a new way to steal internet content without having to pay? Yes, I believe that was the stated purpose of the legislation.

Based on the entitled behavior in this thread, I seriously consider it. It it a cultural thing to feel entitled to other peoples work? Or just the agegroup of people on hacker news?

It's just a European thing. We want to get our hands on other peoples' work by any means possible. What can I say, it's just an evil continent with evil people.
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