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Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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It’s how dealers drum up new business. When one customer ODs, other customers flock to the dealer whose product just proved its potency.

Yes. But hardly the traditional drug dealer biz model. They're the original subscription model. I don't aee how growth by killing your customers is sustainable.

I would think they treat it like other businesses treat churn. As long as you have more new subscribers than cancelling subscribers, you're still growing.

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Fentanyl is a huge problem in Vancouver, where we are usually ground zero for all new opiate trends. Besides killing over 1100 people a year in BC, the money also seeps back into our overheated real-estate market through casino money laundering. It is a crazy cycle. I have no idea why world governments and our own don't say and do more against China. Spineless.

Hey, here's a crazy thought. Why don't we end the drug war? Then people can easily get safe drugs with accurate dosages.

The deaths, money laundering. They're not symptoms of drug dealers, they're symptoms of the drug war. We should clean it up, but it's naive to think that we should just "fight the drug war harder".

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The attack that never happened and/or has never been proven? From the line you yourself posted: "Webb's series led to three federal investigations, none of which found evidence of any conspiracy by the CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States."

Where do you think the CIA fucking learned it from? MI6 (who learned it in opium wars 1&2) taught to OSS (CIA) how to get funding off books so congress couldn't pull the purse strings and they could do whatever they wanted... and this has indeed been proven multiple times... You are the same kind of person who called us talking about NSA pre-Snowden "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" and then post-Snowden came out wi…

MI6 didn't exist until just prior to ww1

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When drug kingpins + dealers kill off their customers, instead of addicting them to make as much money possible, then it feels like something more dark and ainister is at hand. Given the history in the USA (i.e., black communities) perhaps American officials are just culling the herd?

> When drug kingpins + dealers kill off their customers, instead of addicting them to make as much money possible, then it feels like something more dark and ainister is at hand.

Fentanyl is extremely potent and very hard to dilute.

One particular problem is that overdoses often occur in people who are relapsing. The addict dries out for a while so their tolerance drops. Then they get a hit at the same level as they remember with maybe a little bit of extra potency, and they drop dead.

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As an American, the irony of comeuppance isn't lost on me, given that we did have some involvement against them in the Opium Wars.

The Chinese have a long memory of the effect that widespread drug addiction has on a nation and a people. It wasn't until Mao that the issue was addressed, and they were actually quite effective:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_opium_in_China#Unde...

>The Mao Zedong government is generally credited with eradicating both consumption and production of opium during the 1950s using unrestrained repression and social reform.[9][10] Ten million addicts were forced into compulsory treatment, dealers were executed, and opium-producing regions were planted with new crops.

I have my doubts that the West will be able to adequately deal with the issue. They don't seem to have the stomach for it.

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#76

Fentanyl is a huge problem in Vancouver, where we are usually ground zero for all new opiate trends. Besides killing over 1100 people a year in BC, the money also seeps back into our overheated real-estate market through casino money laundering. It is a crazy cycle. I have no idea why world governments and our own don't say and do more against China. Spineless.

Hey, here's a crazy thought. Why don't we end the drug war? Then people can easily get safe drugs with accurate dosages. The deaths, money laundering. They're not symptoms of drug dealers, they're symptoms of the drug war. We should clean it up, but it's naive to think that we should just "fight the drug war harder".

That's exactly what they did in Portugal and the results have been nothing short of amazing.

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Fentanyl is a huge problem in Vancouver, where we are usually ground zero for all new opiate trends. Besides killing over 1100 people a year in BC, the money also seeps back into our overheated real-estate market through casino money laundering. It is a crazy cycle. I have no idea why world governments and our own don't say and do more against China. Spineless.

This is the downside of having global economic integration (buy anything from anywhere for the cost of USPS shipping) without political integration. It's the same type of problem as Greek debtors vs. German creditors except in a different context. Fentanyl analogues are not a problem in China, hence the relative slowness in cracking down on them. The supplier is in China, but the buyer is the West. Why does moral cul…

Fentanyl analogues are not a problem in China, hence the relative slowness in cracking down on them.

History suggests they will be. China happily exported and exports Ketamine, and are now dealing with a massive problem of heavy Ketamine addicts. It’s gotten so bad that they’ve lobbied internationally to sanction ketamine, which ran into a brick wall for good reasons.1

1 Ketamine is the only general anesthetic that doesn’t require loads of training and respiratory support to use, and as such is on the WHO lost of essentials.

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#78

> A police officer suspected the windows of her silver Mitsubishi Galant were tinted too darkly, then found her license was suspended. He arrested her, and a search of her car Straight up parallel construction, until demonstrated otherwise. Gotta love that strategically built weaseling - "suspecting" the tint and "suspended license". Regurgitating this uncritically shows just how little credibility the entire article…

It seems like you are implying that because they might be obfuscating a hypothetical "source" that the findings are invalidated. What would you have the author do, instead?

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Don't forget the targeted attack on black communities through pushing crack cocaine and assisting smuggling efforts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_coca... https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich...

The attack that never happened and/or has never been proven? From the line you yourself posted: "Webb's series led to three federal investigations, none of which found evidence of any conspiracy by the CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States."

If you read further, it also says that by CIA guidelines at the time, you were not required to report on CIA assets smuggling drugs. It's hard to find any evidence when you don't need to keep a record, and any payments made can be written off as part of Iran-Contra.

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Even a proper scale that's all of a sudden miscalibrated could cause an overdose. -don't blame on malice what can be blamed on folly

True. But that still doesn't explain why the dealers' approach is to (literally) kill off their subscribers. That's a complete 180 from Successful Drug Dealer 101.

The point of my post was to let you know how easy it would be to accidentally kill someone due to mismeasuring the dose. Calibrating a scale before and after measuring a dose then verifying with a second method is something dealers aren't used to doing.

The dealers' intended approach is likely not to kill off their customers. I'm willing to bet they simply don't realize what to look out for.

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