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Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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We the West, I guess.

Everyone in the “West” or just some? Are native Americans also included in this reckoning? What about Russians and Bulgarians?

We the Commonwealth, plus the American colonies that had recently departed the Commonwealth but still maintained their trade relations from when they were in it.

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As an American, the irony of comeuppance isn't lost on me, given that we did have some involvement against them in the Opium Wars.

Don't forget the targeted attack on black communities through pushing crack cocaine and assisting smuggling efforts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_coca... https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich...

The attack that never happened and/or has never been proven?

From the line you yourself posted:

"Webb's series led to three federal investigations, none of which found evidence of any conspiracy by the CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States."

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Both, really. Americans were instrumental in pushing cheap, lower quality Turkish opium. Many of the great old East Coast fortunes were built on opium smuggling.

Many of the great old East Coast fortunes were built on opium smuggling. Very interesting indeed. Could you please list a few or point to a link that does?

Here's one: http://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2017/07/31/opium-boston-his...

Most notably the Delanos, as in FDR, and the Forbes, as in John Forbes Kerry.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone in the “West” or just some? Are native Americans also included in this reckoning? What about Russians and Bulgarians?

We the Commonwealth, plus the American colonies that had recently departed the Commonwealth but still maintained their trade relations from when they were in it.

I think it fair to say that while the British instigated it, it was mostly a metcantilist class who traded without the imprimatur of either government. In terms of who got rich, it was mercantilists from the US and the continent as well as local Turk and Indian producers.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both, really. Americans were instrumental in pushing cheap, lower quality Turkish opium. Many of the great old East Coast fortunes were built on opium smuggling.

Many of the great old East Coast fortunes were built on opium smuggling. Very interesting indeed. Could you please list a few or point to a link that does?

John Jacob Astor was certainly involved. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/heroin/etc/hi...

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In Europe there are a lot of these so-called "research chemicals". They are basically illegal drugs but chemically they are different enough that they aren't illegal. I think the most well-known example is 1P-LSD.

I would say that, if you're speaking of the whole category of "research chemicals"—rather than just the psychotropic ones—it's actually easier to get them in North America than in Europe.

Many of the actual pharma research companies creating this stuff are in the US, so there's no customs between you and an order of random-drug-sample #91245096. And even when there is, both the US and Canada are basically allow-then-deny when it comes to drug importation: if they haven't seen it before—and it doesn't smell like a known-restricted compound to the dogs/scanners—they allow it in.

While there are some pharma companies in the EU, there aren't many, and EU countries basically don't allow drugs to be shipped in from outside the EU, no matter what's in them. Indeed, you can't even order unscheduled, OTC drugs from other countries (e.g. Russia) into the EU. It's a big problem in the nootropics community. (Try to figure out how to get bromantane in Germany. I'll wait.)

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In Europe there are a lot of these so-called "research chemicals". They are basically illegal drugs but chemically they are different enough that they aren't illegal. I think the most well-known example is 1P-LSD.

1. Fent is not an RC, it is used in medicine 2. It's strongly regulated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget the targeted attack on black communities through pushing crack cocaine and assisting smuggling efforts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_coca... https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich...

The attack that never happened and/or has never been proven? From the line you yourself posted: "Webb's series led to three federal investigations, none of which found evidence of any conspiracy by the CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States."

You're right, it may not have been proven but based on the amount of coverage and writing on it, there must be some truth behind it. Do you really think these people decided to make it up? And regardless of whether they smuggled the drugs, they knowingly supported the people doing it.

Also, I haven't downvoted you and I'm quite confused by the votes on my original comment. Went straight into the negatives and now it's back up.

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>Chapman and Muhammad would later get prison sentences of nearly 17 and 120 years, respectively. In interviews, Muhammad, now 45, admitted to selling chemicals but said he did extensive research to remain within the law.

Well either the defense or the prosecution is lying through their teeth here.

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